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FIGHT!]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Security by obscurity is no security at all.

My 2 cents.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
buy their MS licenses? they probably used their search engine for the torrents]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
No need for Steve, his fanboys will do it for him]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Win.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Why not use the Chrome OS or other Linux distro. They pump alot into it. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
If it is simple as Google just wanting employees to use their own OS why is that they allow Mac installs without approval from the CTO level?]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Why not Haiku?]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
that is all that is worth too, 2¢

How many computer users do you run into a day? How obscure is it when there is about 1 out of every 10 computer users use Mac?

That is a tired excuse. Maybe one of the many, many Mac haters on the internet would have written a virus to prove their point? Are they just not talented enough?

Keep making excuses as you install update after update, and your McAfee or Norton or whatever runs continuously in the background stealing cycles, with still no guarantee that it is effective to the latest incarnation of the tens of thousands of malware, worms & viruses that your OS is prone to.
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1 in 20. At best. Face it, until recently it's not been worthwhile.

Incidentally I have a Mac before you try on any more of tired zealot nonsense.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/1 in 100 is more like the figure you're looking for.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Well, in a corporate setting, I'd imagine not very many. My 5-person team has 3, incidentally, but most IT policies make it virtually impossible to use anything other than the precise image of the precise version of Windows they want you to use.

Out in public (ie laptops at cafes, bars, airports, etc) it runs closer to 1 in 4 from what I've seen.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/I totally agree that Windows is a way bigger target and that has a lot to do with the fact that Windows has significantly more viruses, but it doesn't explain the fact that there has yet to be a single virus for OS X.

With that said, I'm a proud Apple user and would never brag about my machine having no viruses because I'm realistic in knowing it can happen and most likely will eventually. I'm also not a h4x0r and don't know much about security holes etc, so I'm willing to trust the handful of hackers that say Mac OS X is easier to hack than Windows. I just hope none of them actually do it because I like not running anti-virus programs.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
In public? Like where? Possibly on some campuses but can't think of anywhere else I've seen them reach that saturation.

@hoolahoophugs

Personally I'd say because OS X was a lot more secure by default than Windows right up to Vista. It's equally hard to write a virus in the true sense of the word for Vista and W7. I have no issue in pointing out that Microsoft were 7 years behind Apple here. Point is that for the last three years they've been pretty much of a muchness from that point of view.

That said both platforms are equally susceptible to the real current threat that exist - user installed shitware.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Why do you think 1/10 is more attractive to target than 9/10?]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/ As of April 2010, it was 8.1%, with 2 sequential quarters of double digit growth, selling 1.4 million Mac PCs in the US alone. though it was less PCs total than Dell, HP, or Toshiba, the revenue from those 1.4M PCs exceed that of any of the top 3. this did not include iPads, phones, Apple TVs, etc, just notebooks, iMacs, minis, and pro systems. (source Gartner)

This is just in SHIPMENTS during the previous quarter. As far as OS usage goes, from data in March 2010, OS X has an 11% share, eating 3.8% of Microsoft's share from the previous year. (source Quantcast).

1 in 10 is actually an accurate estimate. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/There have been viruses for Macs not on the scale of Windows but there has been. And let's not forget the massive guest account bug in Snow Leopard which caused far more damage than most viruses do.
There's simply no such thing as a completely safe computer except a computer which is unplugged.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/1 in 4 in public? Maybe because most MAC users are "free spirits" and they love to be in the open sipping on their latte trying to look cool while the rest are hard at work on their windows machines]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/I'd think all the computer experts spewing vicious anti-Mac rage on Engadget would have enough brain cells between them to write up a nice destructive OS X virus. Though most viruses these days are written by crime syndicates looking for bang-for-the-buck, there are still plenty of black hats looking to make a name for themselves by doing the "unthinkable" (which we all know shouldn't really be that hard).]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
oh, and you know tens of thousands of viruses that will infect my Win 7 pc? go ahead, name one that will bite me provided I dont DL a pron.exe file why dont you?

PS 1/10, bwahahahaha yeah right]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/1. It is alot more common then apple.
2. Being more common means more people use it.
3. "More people" includes people that dont really know how to safely use a computet.
4. Therefore they download the virus without knowing and make windowd look bad.

On the other side OSX is alot more expensive then the average PC so not everyone is going to buy a computer from Apple and the people that do most likely do know how to surf the web
]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
The reason there are less viruses and malware, is that while they may be distributed for the LULZ, they are not made for them. Macs are near non-existent in the business world, where you have a large number of directly networked machines. For foreign malware distributers, those systems need not only their own OS code written but tailored for the browser as well. And few Mac users pirate software, music, or the whole OS itself. And its not really in hacker culture to attack the underdog.

Its like a virgin that never gets laid being proud of never having contracted an STD. He'd still need a condom if he started having regular group-sex like the popular Windows kids (Apple circle-jerks don't count... jk).

There is a big difference between few exploits and few vulnerabilities. OSX has not only dwarfed Windows in the number of vulnerabilities, but in the sheer quantity of unpatched ones and the poor response time of the company in addressing them.

http://blogs.csoonline.com/files/vista-90day-vuln-compare.PNG]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/'Dear Microsoft. Your [desktop] OS Sucks. Shut up and live with it. Even your employees don't like it. Seriously.'
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In any case though, I support Google in getting away from MS, as its embarrassing to use a competitors products, and MS needs all the competition it can get (they are back up to 92% marketshare IIRC). Chrome OS desperately needs some work and attention.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
I can work circles around peers running Windows on their HP laptops...]]>Jun 2nd 2010 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Which one fell first... go on, tell me..]]>Jun 2nd 2010 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Windows 7 is a great operating system considering the amount of virus writers and malware out there and how it prevents that from getting onto your system. It's security can unfortunately be as bad as the user at times, if you click past a UAC notification that a malware installer brought up, it's your fault not the operating system's fault.

I assume Google employees are smart enough to know that, though you never know...]]>Jun 2nd 2010 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
And your point is?]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Windows more secure than Linux? Doubtful.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
"Mac OS X is orders of magnitude far more secure than Windows. "

Incorrect. It's safer, not more secure. Big difference.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Uh... no-one gives a toss how much money Apple makes outside stockholders. Incidentally your share of 8.1% is US only, Apple don't make the top 5 global PC manufacturers. Share on sales is about 4-5% on a fairly consistent basis.

Or 1 in 20 as I pointed out.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
Could you write a windows 7 virus for us?

As you claim its much easier to do than a mac virus it shouldnt take long.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Jun 2nd 2010 8:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Yes, MacOS stepped up with OSX as windows did with vista. I use MacBook pro with Snow leopard @work and windows 7@home. Leopard vs vista was an even match but W7 > SL for GUI. I do love having native unix terminal for work though.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Incorrect. It's (OSX) safer, not more secure. Big difference.

No, Windows is not as secure. Period. Having worked with ActiveX flavor of COM, DCOM, and other internal APIs forever, insecurity is a given.

It was Microsoft's goal to be #1 everywhere first, not secure by a long shot. It was purposely put on the back burner.

UAC is a new and painful addition Windows and everyone knows it. In contrary its proven and works beautifully in *nix systems way before WindowsNT existed.

And that new GUI blanking you see before the continue prompt ala Vista is just an annoying kick back/patch for an insecure GUI API that can easily be 'GUI hijacked' because of poor process isolation between applications. The beauty is the ubiquity and ease to hack... er, 'make addons' to Windows. Hence, the reason your grandmother has 10% screen real-estate to view a web page in Internet Explorer below all those 'helpful' 3rd party toolbar addons.

I'm surprised you're still on here Mark, even after the Engadget shaving of accounts from users posting excess profanity and death threats. As you can see, contrary to your liking.... I'm still ticking ;P]]>Jun 3rd 2010 2:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/where's your anti-apple rage if your a unix engineer you should be mad that they stole your operating system. You should create a virus to bring them to their knees. ]]>Jun 3rd 2010 2:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
http://www.crn.com/security/225300210

It's basically a port of a Windows malware that's been around for 2 years.

Dangerous but not really any reason not to use OS X when Windows has hundreds of thousands of them vs one.

The unix system design is inherently more secure or I should say more manageable by the user than the Windows system.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jun/02/apple-spyware-intego-discovery

It requires an admin password to install and it warns it's installing it in the examples.

Ballmer's comments are just a smokescreen.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.grimeforum.com/forum/images/smilies/2009/popcorn.gif]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-responds-to-google-moving-away-from-windows-calls-it/Yes, we looove MJ... and popcorn :D.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:59PM