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Well that's depressing...]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
"Courier was always a concept"

Well how about pulling it out of concept stage, then. I can't even begin to understand how Microsoft is willingly squandering their potential across such a broad spectrum of markets and demographics, as the Courier could satisfy.

For fuck's sake, just from the concept video alone, Students would benefit GREATLY from this thing. Microsoft could even pull a PR initiative to boost its image in the public spotlight by donating courier devices to colleges. It'd be a killer learning aid, IMO.
]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/i know, concept my ass, why does everything awesome have to be a concept?!?
]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 5:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
They chuck so much money into Microsoft Research, yet we hardly see anything come out of there that is going to appeal to the general public.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 6:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/This is pretty depressing from MS.
One, confirmation that courier is not going to materialize
Two, I really thought the user interface concept of WP7, "window" into a larger "page" layout, will fit very nicely into a larger tablet screen with the whole "page" being visible on the screen. I guess MS doesn't think that way.

I dont want a scratch the bottom left of my large capacitive touch screen tablet to hit a teeny weeny start button... Dont make the same mistake MS that you did the older windows phones...]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Agreed.

They've gotta scale it properly, or it's a no-go.

Thankfully, Windows 7 was designed with touch-screens in mind. In other words, Win7 has native touch screen support, which HP has already been a forerunner on in regards to that front.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
What about the whole UI for example? It works great for the desktop but every successfull mobile touchscreen device uses other metaphors: iPhone OS, Andoird, WebOS and even freakin' Microsoft Windows Phone 7 (!!). All of a sudden that is not relevant for tablets? Sorry but thats BS.
Besides the oft cited "Folks will love using all their Desktop software on their Windows Tablet"-mantra is pure BS. Have fun trying to work with your desktop software that was never designed to work with a touchscreen interface. I bet you'll be thrilled.

]]>Jun 2nd 2010 7:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Well maybe another company will take it on from there & make it even better. A company that is just as hardware as it is software related, unlike MS. Hopefully whoever it is, they are more forward thinking than to build it around Windows 7, or any flavor of Windows for that matter.

the desktop computing experience is fading, take the next step.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://courier.epetitions.net/]]>Jun 2nd 2010 7:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Its funny how the Courier thing got out of hand..
How nothing more than pure concept can be made into a real, soon to be released product thanks to tech blog hype and MS fanboys..

ridiculous ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Yeah, "to see what flows". And when they determine what does flow, they kill it.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/$2500 gadgets, which is probably what a Courier that is NOT a completely plastic piece of garbage with crap battery life would probably cost.

People keep whining about the Courier, but the market for ultra-high end really expensive consumer electronics is owned by Apple at the moment. MSFT decided (wisely) not to get into that game.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Not to mention, have you messed around with the ZuneHD or the WP7 SDK? Touch interaction is much more intuitive, it's sexy as hell to look at and it runs fast as hell. I bought a rugged tablet for testing at work with Windows 7 on it and it does not behave the way they claim it to be. It's slow, uninspiring, and offers nothing more than being able to hold my pc (WOW, last time I checked, they called had this awesome new thing called a laptop). Why would you not want to drop WP7 on a sleek looking tablet or bring the courier to life and release it to the market?

I don't get it. Microsoft needs to get out of this enterprise level everyone want's productivity office is my idol bullshit mindset and start showing a little leg.

]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
I thank Microsoft for the Courier every day. When they admitted that it was not going to happen, it absolutely embarassed several Apple Haters who regularly mocked Apple users who saw the Courier as it really was, vaporware to scare people away from the iPad.

People like LAY, Jordan, Decoy, insky, derX, jakem, haven't shown their faces here since that day.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Microsoft's strategy seems to be this: wait till everyone who wants a good tablet has bought one, become loyal to the platform that their tablet runs on, THEN release the courier so that no one can buy it because they already have something else. Kinda like they did with the zune. (I love my zune 80!)]]>Jun 2nd 2010 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/There have been complaints for the past ten years or so that Microsoft has encouraged a corporate culture that stifles innovation and keeps cool products like the courier from ever seeing the light of day. This is no surprise. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/I know an other company who thougt Tablets and Desktop OSes were a good match. Think they failed.
http://gizmodo.com/5450749/unreleased-apple-newton-tablets-bic-and-cadillac-dug-up
http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45
There's also a "Medical Tablet" - called Slate using Mac OS9 which was sold to some hospitals, but they didn't sell well.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
RE: Courier

Well that was obvious... ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Everyone always mentions the students. It was painfully clear that, even if the Courier could be built, it would be an expensive device given today's technology (and likely hindered by battery life). Also, it was obvious that the Courier was not meant to replace a laptop computer, which is also an important tool for students and would absolutely take priority over a Courier. Unless, of course, you see students preferring to write papers and do research on a couple of 7" touch screens instead of a powerful multitasking laptop with an office software suite.

What I'm getting at here is this:

Do you really think that there would be enough "students" out there that would be able to shell out an additional $1000+ on a device that's used for taking notes? I mean, give me a break here. Paper notebooks are $1. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
I don't understand what makes you think it would be so expensive with it having roughly the same screen estate as an iPad and would probably need a same speed processor but would have benefits above "surfing the web on the couch".]]>Jun 2nd 2010 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Personally I think MS know that W7 will never take off on a tablet but they think there's enough naivety out there for some of their hardware partners to dish out enough tablets for them to make more than than they could if they created their own hardware and OS and rivalled them, again it comes down to MS not wanting to compete with their partners. Microsoft's run by accountants, you'd think they'd want to shake something up given that Apple have just overtaken them.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Well Steve, not sure if you have been reading tech blogs but judging by the response from both editors as well as prospective customers, I'd say it "flows". Now send it to production already!! ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/its kinda of pathetic when i really start to think about it. A company that has been touting the tablet, for at LEAST the last 5 years (since gates was still around) still has no concrete idea of how they can take the platform, an make it go mainstream. seems like MS needs less suits, and more people in sandals and t shirts. I'm a fan of a lot of things MS does, as was really hoping for the courier, but on this avenue, they're really diggin their own graves when it comes to tablets. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Totally expected though. Microsoft is a company that has made WinMo 6.5 and all the hideous incarnations of Windows over the years and have only just made something mildly interesting with WinPho 7 but it has a cluttered UI.

The demo they put up was a high benchmark for them software-wise.

On the subject of hardware, they'd have to sandwich two 10" screens together and you can bet they wouldn't be IPS screens or it would cost way more than an entry laptop and if they were TN, you get bad viewing angles.

Courier is meant for another time.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
It was an amazing concept, but stank vaporware since day 1. Sad many didn’t realize it.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Bitter whining isn't going to help your argument any.

Sounds like you're butthurt that someone would dare approach the iPad with anything other than a sense of reverence and awe.

Granted, fanboy circle-jerks are more aggravating than anything else, but still...]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Jun 2nd 2010 5:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
At the end of the day, Windows 7 is not touch friendly.

Produce the Courier. That product was 100% win. You even had the biggest Linux and Apple fan boys lusting over that thing.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
"At the end of the day, Windows 7 is not touch friendly."

You basically just described their number one user facing upgrade over Vista: all the new taskbar elements are there purely for touch.
]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/It just does not work and you can not dispute that. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Stop talking out of your ass. Win 7 is fantastic on a touchdisplay. I know, I've tried it !

Give it a go before you knock it, and btw. it performs *very* good on an atom 1.66...]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Facts are facts and your opinion can not overide that.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/Oh wait... Lenovo did that too! They also chucked in a i7 (rather they kept the c2d or went with something smaller though... I like having 10 hours of battery)]]>Jun 2nd 2010 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
if Windows' tablets will simply recreate the same functions they've had for years, then it's a joke to get rid of their physical keyboards in an attempt to market these devices as "slates"]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
It just makes no sense.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
yeah but no mention about the word "concept" to all those countless microsoft crazy folks during your viral marketing campaign.

to arouse expectations and to push speculations among all those microsoft fanboys without a finished product in the other hand is the epitome of foolish.

other than that, the plan to disturb the market launch of the ipad with all those courier images and all those drooling fanboys and fake videos failed.


all in all, good job microsoft :) ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 5:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
*facepalm!!!!!!!!]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
as much as i like the idea of a windows 7 tablet, i can't help but uprank that]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
The Courier looked fantastic so either they were blowing smoke up peoples you know what to direct attention away from the iPad, which failed miserably when there was no product or you had a great idea and decided you want to be stupid and boring.

As far as Windows Mobile 7 on tablets go, STOP SHOVING WINDOWS 7 ON EVERYTHING!!! The new form factor wont take on a life of it's own if it works just like the desktop and laptops that have been around for years.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Now they are trying to see the success from competitors then launching the product.

Zune, Windows Mobile OS and now Tablet. Please microsoft, try to come out of this.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/
Uh.. Office 2010?

*waves tiny flag

*crickets]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/"Now they are trying to see the success from competitors then launching the product."

That is what they have always done, since day one! WIndows wasn't first, Mac was. DOS was a copy/derivative of QDOS, which was written by another company & bought by MS so they could modify it & license it to IBM. The only thing Microsoft was first to the market for was charging for software.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/microsoft-windows-phone-7-not-planned-to-hit-tablets-courier-w/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star]]>Jun 2nd 2010 9:43AM