http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/ Engadget Comments for Ballmer: Silverlight 'certainly doesn't run on the iPhone!' http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnXh3XR9zyM

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are you serious? Ballmer wouldn't need a bat! Jobs is so tiny all Ballmer would do is grab him with his bear hands (that wasn't a typo) crumble him into a ball then use Walt as a baseball bat, sending him careening into the audience with a force that could part the seven seas (all while screaming his developers chant)]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/lol, I think the ramifications of two Steve Jobs in the same room would be way more interesting too.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 3:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
Why does Balmer bug me so much? Ever since I saw that video of him running around the stage screaming like a lunatic, I haven't been able to look at him the same way.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
So by that he just said that Silverlight, just like Flash, is really second rate software? ]]>Jun 3rd 2010 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://j.mp/bing-maps-amazing-features]]>Jun 4th 2010 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/No big surprise with the iPhone I guess. But what about Android? Silverlight is still lightyears behind flash. If they want to increase their share they should definitely support as many mobile platforms as they can. ]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
The only reason to use it or Flash or Google Gears would be for the following: local storage, access to user's files, integrate rich media and vector graphics, background processing.

Local storage is handled in HTML 5, direct user file access isn't necessary and shouldn't be allowed, rich media can be done with HTML 5.

Vector graphics are handled by the Canvas element, which Apple submitted to an open standards body and background processing should be handled to some extent in the next webkit with process separation and will filter into Chrome.

Flash, Webkit, Gears and so on are all hold-overs until browsers get the functionality but few people jump ship when those technologies are still available and that's ultimately bad.

Apple's iDevices will drive these other technologies into the ground and the reason that will happen is their marketshare now exceeds 90 million, which is almost on par with yearly PC shipments worldwide.

Content providers will support these people or they lose to their competition and once those solutions are in place, the hold-over solutions will no longer be needed nor used.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
open source silverlight]]>Jun 3rd 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Looks like you know what you are talking about.... except for this one: "90 million, which is almost on par with yearly PC shipments worldwide." Where did you get that number from? Maybe from 2002.

Gartner predicts 366 million PCs sold in 2010. About 200 million of which will be Laptops and Netbooks. ]]>Jun 3rd 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
'Oh, hi there html-5, I see you've got quite a few issues with agreements over video formats, web standard support, gpu acceleration. Don't mind us we'll just sit here for 10-15 years whilst you improve so you can make us all defunct, we see no need to improve ourselves. Hopefully by then maybe IE 7 will stop being supported as well and all browsers will display all html/css/java exactly the same as eachother.'

Please.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
Fair point, the numbers were older. Gartner also says that smartphones will go up 100% though, which has happened pretty much year on year for Apple - 6 million iPhones 2007, 14 million 2008, 24 million 2009, 50 million projected 2010. If it's 50 million iPod Touches too, that's a total share of 190 million units. The iPad will likely be around 5-10 million.

It's true that only comes close to 2009 PC shipments of 260 million but it's a big enough audience to sway an industry one way or another. No content providers in their right minds would ignore an audience of close to 200 million, especially when the audience is far more engaged with their personal device than a PC.

@fpad77 "you are working under the assumption that these other technologies are going to stand still.

Oh, hi there html-5, I see you've got quite a few issues with agreements over video formats, web standard support, gpu acceleration."

HTML 5 has no issues over GPU acceleration, developers are free to implement it as Apple have done and Microsoft have done in IE9. The disagreements over video are just from Mozilla who don't want to offload video decoding to the OS like everybody else.

H.264 is no worse than DVD format and controlled by the same people, I don't hear anyone protesting that we should drop DVD or Blu-Ray for some other standard. The H.264 places no license restrictions on personal use. Only freetards have an issue with it because it doesn't have a penguin logo in it.

On the subject of the technologies moving forward, they won't bring anything beyond interacting with graphics. There is quite simply no feature documented in Flash now nor in any roadmap that HTML 5 with Canvas can't do.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
Also just for the record Adobe's competing product for Silverlight is not flash as everyone assumes...it's Flex. Flash is what the web needed back in the day, simple animation of static objects; the web is growing more dynamic.

Also Ballmer's comments don't surprise me considering Microsoft's windows 7 Mobile OS will obviously use Silverlight apps.
]]>Jun 3rd 2010 7:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
"Local storage is handled in HTML 5"

Which HTML 5 compliant browsers are your website visitors using?]]>Jun 3rd 2010 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Funny how you play with numbers. I would never deny that Apple is a global player and they definitely have a lot of weight with the consumers and with the developers too. But don't play it like Apple is as strong as the rest of the PC and smartphone market combined.
You bring in smartphone sales on Apple's side but don't mention the competitors numbers. You highlight Apple's strength but only when you compare their 2010 sales to PC's last year recession sales. And best of all you include all those Apple devices like Macs and Macbooks that actually DO support Flash.

You really could have made a much better case if you wouldn't have cheated that much. Just saying. ;-)]]>Jun 3rd 2010 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
Right but they are better done using HTML 5 so that your code benefits from Javascript engine improvements.

@FitFan "Which HTML 5 compliant browsers are your website visitors using?"

Doesn't matter as you request browser compliance just as you get a message saying to update Flash.

@SeeKo "But don't play it like Apple is as strong as the rest of the PC and smartphone market combined."

Considering they make up 50% of all mobile traffic then I'd say that's pretty strong.

@SeeKo "You bring in smartphone sales on Apple's side but don't mention the competitors numbers."

Right but the competitors support HTML 5 too as they use webkit. Flash will simply have a 200 million user dent in its audience. If they use HTML 5, they get no such dent.

Look, Apple said they'd support Flash when Adobe stepped up the plate and delivered. They didn't for 3 years so it's not like Adobe have leg to stand on now.

@SeeKo "And best of all you include all those Apple devices like Macs and Macbooks that actually DO support Flash."

I didn't include those at all.]]>Jun 4th 2010 7:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
i'm gonna sing the doom song now XD]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/doo doo doo do do do do]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/TACOS!]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
A man can only dream!]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/So you'd prefer to have the same number of articles, regardless of whether or not they have anything to say?]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
Nah, I wasn't very serious. I was about to reply that TBH, wasn't much to take from his talk. But that's the same I felt about Jobs too. ]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
But he did have some candid thoughts on China, his competitors and more. Pretty sure they would have warranted articles if it was Jobsian wisdom.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
have you seen all the eBoy coverage?

obscene, i tell you.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
> On TV: 'no one wants to buy a box'
Interesting opinion on Google TV given that

> On Foxconn: 'We're all over this'
One of the biggest and concerning news stories of the last few weeks and was widely covered on mainstream news sites.

> On lost iPhone 4G prototype: it's an 'amazing' story
Again big news of the last few weeks that was on mainstream news sites.

> iPhone OS 'started on a tablet'
Interesting as everyone just said the iPad was a giant iPod touch. When it fact it is the reverse.

> 'There might be' advantages to two iPhone carriers in US
Probably more important for iPhone customers in the US than a new iPhone or 4.0 release.

Now. YOUR TURN. Which topics from Ballmer's session would you like Engadget to split out into separate articles ? Please enlighten us.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/as i see it its not that ballmer didnt get enough attention, but that these interviews are seemingly biased
all of the questions to the microsoft people seemed to just be asking about apple or comparing msft to apple
whereas they ask apple about what theyre doing etc and showing each meaningless point as a separate important article]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
It's just crap to keep hearing people like DirtyVegas bitch about Engadget every single, god damn time there is an Apple article. Despite the fact that there were 20 posts for Google IO and how many posts on Microsoft tablets in the last two days.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
There really just isn't a whole lot of interesting news surrounding Microsoft at this point. They had a ray of sunlight with Courier and WP7, but the cancellation of one and long lead time of the other has them back to being a boring stagnant company.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/Jun 3rd 2010 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/maybe if they just tried to be a bit less biased it might help, i cannot think of questions to ask him, however im sure that if i was given the time to research more things about msft i could come up with some better ones than 'steve jobs says your battery life sucks, what are you doing about this?' and 'i like the ipad, do you like the ipad?'
(i know, these questions werent directly asked but to me its just the same...)]]>Jun 3rd 2010 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
I thought this was a pretty revealing interview.

Ballmer more or less called the Kin a failure. Don't think I've heard that before. And his responses about the future of computing devices didn't seem to communicate a very clear vision of the future.

If I am interpreting his growls properly, there is some serious restructuring going on, and the future of Microsoft involves an intensified focus on platforms and a serious curtailment of hardware development.

That would be a significant change.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/ballmer-silverlight-certainly-doesnt-run-on-the-iphone/
I have some questions for Apple.

When are you going to come out with a enterprise ready operating system? OS X isn't. If it was corporate america would have gobbled it up by now.

When are you going to come out with a enterprise ready email application?

When are you going to come out with a enterprise ready database system?

When with Apple OS whatever be capable of running Oracle, DB2, SQL anything?

When will Apple release a enterprise ready collaborative platform that can connect the entire enterprise together with integration into desktop and enterprise ready applications?

Yeah I know, these are all business related items. Something Apple gave up on because they cannot compete. They can give shiny consumer toys to people who don't have the neurons to use an actual business and scientific tools. If you actually new anything about technology you would realize reading the NY Times and listening to the latest Black Eyed Peas song at your corner Starbucks is not ground breaking.

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