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It is not that simple.

First, the CPU in the N8 is ARM11, but underclocked at 680 Mhz. Could be increased through firmware. The CPU in this device is Cortex A8 which does more per cycle, so it may well be that the CPU in this device does more than the ARM 11 in N8 @ 680.

However, the real big difference here is the fact that the N8, which runs S^3 (not to be confused with the horrid S60 5th) is fully hardware accelerated. All UI effects etc go to the GPU, made by Broadcom (AFAIK) which is pretty strong according to benchmarks.

Anywho, why I mention this is that the N8 S^3 device uses the GPU extensively, whereas Anroid does not, and we cannot predict real world performance by just looking at the CPU, all that really matters is a snappy user experience and we will have to wait and see.

I do prefer the design and materials of the N8 though. And I also happen to like S^3 ( as far as I can tell ) over Android. Both my last points are subjective of course.]]>Jun 7th 2010 4:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
Nope, the keyword here is XENON flash. That's a very big deal for people who take the camera in their phone seriously. Which is also the reason I compared it to the Nokia N8 which has Xenon flash as well, and not to other devices. Smart move by Motorola, even though I do not like the design at all.]]>Jun 7th 2010 4:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
How is it obsolete? The only thing the evo has on this phone is screen size, and not everyone wants a huge phone. Besides this one looks better]]>Jun 7th 2010 4:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 5:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/I must add that if this would have been a Nokia with the same design and specs would have been bashed by Engadget and US citizens.... God knows why?!
I consider this phone... boring.]]>Jun 7th 2010 5:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/I haven't seen a xenon flash on a phone before... cool.
However, the appearance of the phone isn't aesthetically pleasing.]]>Jun 7th 2010 6:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/exactly. Engadget always hatin on motorola for no reason. I remember when there stock wad @ 3.00, all engadget did was post pictures of the moto logo with an upside down smile. This is going to sell. I wanna a good android camera]]>Jun 7th 2010 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
Xenon flash should be standard in every single high end phone.]]>Jun 7th 2010 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
Thank you for the accurate and detailed info ... you beat me to it.

I personally would still go with the Milestone, the keyboard may be bad but its better than none and the GameGripper isn't selling for no reason.]]>Jun 7th 2010 9:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
I think you are wrong: if something Symbian does well (better than any other mobile OS) is to get the maximun from the available resources.
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not even close, the camera no match to nokia n8.]]>Jun 7th 2010 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
New specs:
512 RAM and TI OMAP 3440 clocked to 720MHz

Check here
http://developer.motorola.com/products/milestonext720/]]>Jun 8th 2010 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/How Did you get an overclock on the milestone? link it please]]>Jun 7th 2010 5:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/The Sony Ericsson Vivaz, which handles HD video far better, runs an A8 CPU clocked at 720MHz.

Now both those handsets are/were running Symbian, which runs reasonably well on slower CPUs than Android, so stop and think again and ask yourself if the 550MHz CPU the XT720 will have will actually be up to the job because I personally doubt it.]]>Jun 7th 2010 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
And what you do not seem to take into consideration is that the video can be encoded using a different process like using the GPU or with different commands meaning you can not show anything by CPU speed. The droid/milestone phones use a T.I. OMAP3 SoC which has proven to be much more powerful per clock cycle than the snapdragon or anything we have seen to date. Thats why overclocked droids are seeing better performance than 1ghz snapdragons]]>Jun 7th 2010 7:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
Did you not see the video of it running Avatar on an HDTV?

You people lap up the marketing without using your brains. This has the same processor as the Droid, ie. 550 MHz OMAP 3430. Overclocked Droids at 1GHz are faster than Snapdragon equipped phones like the Nexus One.]]>Jun 7th 2010 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/But it's still a valid point for concern. I mean, you don't imagine for one second do you that with either of the handsets I mentioned that the CPU isn't used to help with HD video encoding, do you?

Also, unless the XT720 has something other than a PowerVR SGX GPU (and so far there's not even confirmation it has that), then it's still going to be no more powerful than either the Vivaz or the i8910 HD and, once again, the difference between those two handsets and their handling of HD video recording does seem to be related to the speed of the CPU.


Also, @Shooter McGavin & JXCGunrunna: who said anything about Snapdragon?
I was comparing this A8-based, HD-recording handset to two other A8-based, HD-recording handsets.

I'm not for one second trying to say that the phone would necessarily perform better or worse if it had a Snapdragon CPU, merely that the stock speed of the CPU it ships with is a cause for concern.


Lastly, @Shooter McGavin: I'm pretty certain that when I posted that comment, the video of the TV showing Avatar hadn't been uploaded.
Certainly it's a promising sign but I still have my concerns.

I genuinely hope the handset does perform well, it ticks basically every box for me for a large Android touchscreen handset, perfect for complimenting the Sony Ericsson X10 Mini I've been looking at so far but I would definitely want to try one myself first.]]>Jun 7th 2010 8:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
Exactly. Vlad has done this twice in the last week and I am sure that this is what is adding to people thinking anything less than a 1ghz cpu is not fast enough. As of today, this is the second faster mainstream SoC out there and he acts like its old tech. It is still more than enough to run Android at a ridiculous speed.

Vlad did the same thing on the Flipout review. http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/motorola-flipout-preview/

"Running version 2.1 (Eclair) on a 600MHz processor (TI OMAP 3410) might seem like a recipe for trouble"

Maybe Engadget should get someone who knows what the hell they are talking about to talk about hardware. Is there something that magically made something that was fast 6 months ago not fast anymore. Is my 3.2 ghz core 2 quad with 12 mags of L2 cache not fast anymore because i7's exist?

Vlad, I asked you about that quote last time and did not get a response so maybe you can tell us whats up with the OMAP3 not being fast enough anymore.

BTW, that side chin thing actually makes it look like it would fit my hand better. ]]>Jun 7th 2010 8:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
I see what you mean but snapdragon is an A8 based SoC, which brings me to a point I and I think just about everyone else overlooks. We sit here and compare CPU speeds but what we should be comparing is SoC speeds because unlike our laptops and desktops, the speed is for the whole chip. The other big thing here is that comparing the Omnia HD, Nexus One, Droid and iPhone is that the architectures are all different. The memory controllers, IPS, DSP, GPU and other parts are all strung differently to the CPU.



I do worry about this too but I think as we have seen with the Droid, N900, Palm Pre and early benchmarks of the Droid xtreme that the OMAP3 is plenty capable of producing enough power to handle just about anything across the 3 different platforms its been used on.]]>Jun 7th 2010 9:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/"Vlad, I asked you about that quote last time and did not get a response so maybe you can tell us whats up with the OMAP3 not being fast enough anymore...."

WHAT??? How dare you question the entelligence of an Engadget tech pundit? Don't you know that the Engadget writers are supposed to be the last word in tech? They are smarter than Nobel prize winners, physicists, technologists and even grad school professors.

You should think TWICE before asking them. Everybody and his dog knows that Engadget is the most "neutral" blog in the world.

Note: No, I am not a troll.]]>Jun 7th 2010 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 6:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
It's faster at 3D with a better GPU and it's faster if overclocked.]]>Jun 7th 2010 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
what makes it mediocre? it has the same specs as the original moto droid which was state of the art just 6 months ago. i hardly think it is mediocre. ]]>Jun 7th 2010 4:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
btw i assume u were saying that about the processor... otherwise all the other features are pretty sweet.]]>Jun 7th 2010 4:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Poor codec support for one.]]>Jun 7th 2010 4:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
I think my point has been thoroughly proven.]]>Jun 7th 2010 4:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
If you are one of those tech savvy people this phone does not appeal to, you should no the Snapdragon actually is not all that great in comparison to 3430 or others. Sounds cool though, 1Ghz....]]>Jun 7th 2010 5:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
*know]]>Jun 7th 2010 5:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/
You are spot on. 1ghz snapdragon is a wonderful marketing tool. kinda like AMD's high clock speeds and 6 cores. Great numbers but does not dictate performance. Their prices are awesome tho. ]]>Jun 7th 2010 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/motorola-milestone-xt720-announced-8-megapixel-cam-720p-video/Jun 7th 2010 4:14AM