http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 1:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
wow... really?

If you don't want ads, don't visit sites that have ads. Ads pay for the site to exist. If you removed the ability to create ads flash or otherwise, you remove the revenue stream and sites like engadget wouldn't exist.

Also the ads would be there whether Adobe added this functionality or not.. if they didn't do this, ad creators would go elsewhere.

So if Adobe didn't do this, you'd have one less reason to complain about what you don't know.. Adobe wouldn't be competing, and you'd still have the ads.]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Engadget basically only has 3 ads, 1 on the very top, one on the top left, and one on the very bottom..

I can personally guarentee, the revenue that those ads bring in are only in the 10s, meaning less than $100 each month (and thats basically a guarentee, Engadget if you can prove me wrong, I will be amazed)

I agree with what you say, about how devs need revenue to keep sites up.

but your over exaggerating the concept.. Devs only need a few bucks to keep a website running per month, so basically a simple google ad will have you covered.
]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/But understand, that these developers are already getting revenue from actual computers such as macs and pcs, it will not make any difference if they add it to iphones, and ipads, it will just make the web page look less clean. ]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/maybe its kinda hard to think that way when you have Firefox with AdBlock Plus running]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
And adblock works great to make all three disappear.]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
I used to run a site where we had only four "major" ads. One on our front page, two on our forums and some in-text ads scattered around for guests. With those four ads alone, we made about $100/mo, and our traffic was nowhere near that of Engadget's (Engadget is currently 365 on Alexa, we were up in the 60,000 range).

So you may want to rethink your estimate.]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
True, Adblock takes away the perspective...]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/are you willing to pay for all these videos?]]>Jun 8th 2010 4:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 4:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
engadget's alexa rank is 365

abduzeedo.com has a rank of 4106
Their monthly ad sales are over $12k per month http://buysellads.com/buy/detail/125

And their advertisers are all fairly small potatoes.. Engadget advertisers are often major players and I'm sure they are paying quite a bit more

Advertising is a major form of revenue which is why many of the major players are so involved in it. To dismiss it is naive.

But enjoy your amazement.]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/when iOS4 comes out you'll have plenty of ads to enjoy!]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
I'm not opposed to ads in general. I run sites myself, I get the whole 'cover your costs' etc stuff. I'm not opposed to a banner on the top or bottom or side that is clearly an ad.

What I hate with a passion are embed pop ups in the text (like that stupid bing box) that you can trigger by accidentally rolling over a word. The window take over ads, the 'fly in' ads, the ones with obnoxious audio that autoplays etc. that's the crap I can do without.

That said, I'm snickering here because Adobe is so loathe to lose any money that they are basically selling out. What happened to taking a stand against Apple's 'it's junk' talk and making a working version of Full Flash that will run on mobile devices to prove Jobs wrong. That seems to be taking the back burner to all this HTML5 support.
]]>Jun 8th 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Ugh... I'm getting sick of this.]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Yup, iAds in July, and HTML5 versions of Flash adverts to follow! Woohoo! Ads galore!]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Awww man, I forgot about iAds...

Dammit!!!]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Its ok i ads are professional, not just some cheap source of flash based income, you will probably start liking them as you get more used to them.]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/lolwut]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 3:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
So as long as apple serves it up to you, it must be good eh? By the way, the comet is almost here, you should finish your juice now.]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
WHY!!!!!

]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Steve Jobs: "We're excited to introduce.... iPhoto Pro... the most magical photo editing application ever..."


Good-bye Photoshop... and Adobe's last reason for existing...]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
I cant imagine a tool for the iPhone as powerful and as easy to manipulate as Photoshop..

It would be pretty cool to have a powerful photo editing tool with a setup similar to Photoshop on the iPhone, but it would never be easy, and if it was, it wouldnt be powerful.

Besides, isnt Photoshop only usable on a Mac and PC? Why would you even mention Photoshop or simply, a powerfull photo editing software concept for a handheld device? lol]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 2:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
It was a joke.

My point was that Adobe seems to be doing all this stuff for HTML5 now... Dreamweaver for creating HTML5... and converting Flash ads to HTML5.

Adobe is holding firm with Flash... yet... they are gearing up to do more stuff with HTML5 too.

It's just an observation...

My snarky comment was to say that if a Photoshop competitor actually took a hold of the industry... Adobe would be in trouble. I don't think it will, however.

Think about it... if HTML5 becomes the standard... and ANY software can create content for it... and no one uses Photoshop anymore... what will Adobe be known for?

It's just a question... I know all that will never happen.]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Adobe have to support HTML5, and they will, until the standards are finalised and used on the majority of web browsers.]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Ok... lemme clarify my comment.

When someone mentions Adobe... what do you think of? Photoshop and Flash.

Imagine if Apple came out with a Photoshop competitor, priced it at $399, made it for Windows and Mac, and it could do 95% of what Photoshop could do today...

It's just a fantasy, I know. But hear me out.

And what if you could build all sorts of cool websites... and even ads, in HTML5.... all without needing Adobe Flash? Where would Adobe be then?

This headline says it all: "Adobe and Greystripe partner for ads that convert Flash to HTML5"

Why not just build the ads in HTML5 to begin with? Why do we need Adobe Flash at all?

All I'm saying is that Steve Jobs could get pissed off enough to build his own Photoshop competitor... thus negating the need for Photoshop... and also in a few years we don't need Flash anymore either... because browsers can show ads and video in HTML5.

Then Adobe would be screwed.

(I know HTML5 is nowhere near ready, since many browsers don't support it... but there might be a time somewhere in the future where we don't need Adobe products)]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 2:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 2:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://cs5.org/?p=1028]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
I said WHAT IF some other software came along to unseat Photoshop from its throne...

And WHAT IF people stopped using Flash to create ads and video...

I use Photoshop and Dreamweaver every day... and Premiere a few times a week too. (CS3 on Windows)

I'm just hypothesizing a future where Adobe Flash doesn't control 98% of interactive web content... and where $700 Photoshop doesn't rule the industry.

I also said multiple times that this is never gonna happen anyway... so relax...]]>Jun 8th 2010 3:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/"Why not just build the ads in HTML5 to begin with? Why do we need Adobe Flash at all?"
You know, it is not a problem making web browsers (passive programs) which support a work in progress standard BUT it would be a huge problem making contents that could be obsolete just because the future standard need to be change. It would just create a total mess where outdated code from outdated specifications would need to be left on the net because some people still use old web browser.

So it is easier to just use a stable final code (flash) and change the way your browser read that content on the fly.]]>Jun 8th 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
And even if Apple were to make an alternative to Photoshop, I doubt it would even overtake Photoshop. There are tons of Photoshop alternatives, from freeware (Paint.net) commercial (Pixelmator, Paintshop Pro X3), online (Aviary), and even open source (G.I.M.P.)
Not even with the rampant piracy of Adobe products not one those alternatives come close to Photoshop's market share.

Long rant short: Adobe isn't going anywhere soon bro-cha-cho.]]>Jun 8th 2010 3:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Which is why I said multiple times that this is never gonna happen anyway... it's just a conversation.

Photoshop = awesome

but does Flash = awesome too?]]>Jun 8th 2010 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
And when Flash eventually fades away we will be left with ads. Just made with HTML5 and still as obnoxious as ever. For example: http://tuckwat.com/blog/html5/annoying-html5-ads/]]>Jun 8th 2010 3:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
but those products would have to be seriously awesome because Photoshop et al are super ingrained in the professional world. If you do any kind of graphics, advertising etc you are expected to know the whole suite. If you don't, you won't get hired.

Even if Apple's suite was less than, perhaps having a rising competitor would bring down Adobe's prices, because right now their little monopoly allows them to charge insane amounts. And a lower price would make many folks very very happy]]>Jun 8th 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 1:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
... NO.]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Trust me, once iOS4 comes out, Geohot and the devs will get cracking on a perminant OS exploit, and all the bad things about the new OS will go away forever.

Im pretty sure Geohot has an exploit that may work for iOS4, one that he has never shown to anyone, and will release it once iOS4 is mainstream.]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 1:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 2:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 1:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 1:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/Jun 8th 2010 1:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Crap... that means my Lightroom 3 Beta just expired too...

Does anyone use Lightroom and like it?]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/adobe-and-greystripe-partner-for-ads-that-convert-flash-to-html5/
Why do you use lightroom? You just said in a comment above that Adobe's "last reason for existing" was photoshop (which is ridiculous)

Shouldn't you just stick with iphoto?

If you people don't like Adobe's products why not just stop using them?]]>Jun 8th 2010 1:49AM