http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/ Engadget Comments for Apple iPad and Samsung Wave share a brain http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
He is a liar, but terrorist is a bit steep...]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Oh, forget about Samsung Wave, wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/I thought the name was iphone 4.
No "G" in its name,]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
Don't tell Engadget. They think Job's magically put up a 4G network just for this phone.]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Well engadget ..it seems u r in a pact with apple .. maybe Bada OS might not be big, but did u forget about the "ANDRIOD MONSTER" Samsung GALAXY S .. which has the same processor .. bigger superAMOLED screen and might come with as a PRO version with QWERTY -fingers crossed-
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Just because you don't fab it doesn't mean you didn't design it. And just because you designed it does not mean it cannot be used by others. The IP is most likely jointly owned. This is very common practice.

I am shocked at how naive people posting here are. ]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/I think he's just being racist]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/The A4 is an OEM version of the Samsung Hummingbird...Apple didn't design ANYTHING, Intrinsity and Samsung designed it.]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/1Ghz A4 CPU running iOS native code > 1Ghz A4 CPU running Android bytecode in a virtual machine]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Guess that makes the Samsung Wave "Magical" too.]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
Samsung is a fabricator. Apple designed the specs along with others. I am sure they A4 is a combination of IP from many specialized companies. But the output is built to Apple's specs and needs.

What people seem to be missing is that Apple designed a processor for their OS. That is probably the reason why with relatively low end hardware the iPad has fantastic performance. I couldn't believe it until I used it. That's the whole point. Apple gets more out of the hardware because the hardware is optimized for their software.

The problem on sites like this is that we have people who are preying on others ignorance or they are ignorant themselves and try to sound intelligent. That's a real pity!]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/What are you talking about dude?
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1030
That's their press release, it's from 2009!
Apple did not design ANYTHING!
They BOUGHT the company that helped design it (Intrinsity)...
Jobs painted a picture of it being this super hardcore unique chip that Apple designed specifically for iOS, and it's not. It's the Samsung Hummingbird, and believe it or not, there's even MORE companies using this _exact_same_chip_ in their products. It's not unique and it's not designed by apple at all, sorry.]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/you have just forgotten the apple drawn in it. that's the real valuable thing in the processor]]>Jun 8th 2010 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
Samsung has higher dpi res compare to Galaxy both same resoulution but wave is smaller screen, share all the same specs except wave has led flash which make picture better and use bada os instead of android. saving you $150 is worth to think,]]>Jun 8th 2010 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Yeah what's up with "iphone4g" in the tags, and no iPhone 4...]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
I believe PA Semi fucked up.]]>Jun 9th 2010 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
Sorry, dear chap, but you have a few misconceptions here.

Firstly, the CPU core is not the same as the SoC. The Apple A4 and the Samsung S5PC110A01 are both SoCs (System-on-Chips).

The CPU core in both is designed by ARM (which Apple part own) and was optimised for clock speed on 45nm by Intrinsity (which Apple now own, but didn't at the time).

However, the CPU is not even the major part of the design. According to ARM, the Cortex A8, including L1 cache, is less than 4mm^2 on 65nm. On 45nm, it should be around 2.5mm^2.

According to iFixit and Chipworks, they measured the A4's die size to be 55mm^2. That means that the CPU core is less than 5% of the A4's silicon.

All UBM have actually demonstrated is that they both have a Cortex A8, which is not actually any kind of an insight. You can safely assume that Samsung will have licensed the optimisations from Intrinsity too, but that still leaves 95% of the chip as unaccounted for.

That difference includes the memory controller, pre-fetchers, L2 cache, display controllers, 3D GPU, video encoder, video decoder, 2D vector accelerator, DSP, security engine, bus, I/O blocks, audio processor and god knows what else. This is not insignificant stuff - it is 95% of the design and makes a huge difference to the performance and power.

And it was designed by the former PA semi guys at Apple, not by Samsung. Samsung just fabricate it.]]>Jun 9th 2010 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
There were already rumors of this. This isn't "new" news. Search "Intrinsity" on engadget and you will see previous articles.]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
FYI

"designed by our own team" - Steve Jobs]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
Intrinsity designed the A4 long before it was bought by Apple. So litterally Apple "bought the team who made the A4". Apple did not design the chip from scratch.]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/It's like HP and Palm.
HP bought Palm, but they didn't build webOS did they?]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
In yesterdays keynote, Jobs never said Apple designed it. He said, "The iPhone 4 is powered by the A4 chip — Apple's A4 chip. This is a chip that was designed by our own team. They are really good and this is wonderful to have in an iPhone."

A few logical comments. I'm certain this chip is nearly identical in every way to the Samsung fabricated/Intrinsity designed SoC. Also recall that Apple bought PA Semi as well.

I'm willing to wager that the A4 might be the same silicon but it's probably not exactly the same just with new lettering on top. Apple spends a lot of money with Samsung for displays, memory, and chips so the partnership as long been established.

My guess is that after Apple bought Intrinsity and PA Semi, they all went to work optimizing this SoC further specifically for the iOS and better power management. Whatever gains or competitive advantage they made in this area is what Jobs is referring to in addition to the fact that the team Apple bought designed it originally prior to the purchase.

Besides, as everyone knows, it was probably far cheaper to just buy Intrinsity and PA Semi combined than to license their technology developed for broader application. It's why the closed hardware/software ecosystem works for Apple as a counterpoint to PC/Windows.

Was it designed by Apple? No. Was it optimized by teams Apple bought before and after those firms were acquired? Yes to the former, and I'd bet a lot on yes to the latter.

Think smartly, folks.]]>Jun 8th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
Absolutely agreed.]]>Jun 8th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/ARM and Imagination are like the weapons manufacturers that sell weapons to both sides]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
I'm no fanboy, but if Apple buys the team.. it's still their team that developed it.]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
Any products that Intrinsity designs *from now on* could be credited technically as "Designed by Apple" but the A4 does not get that "honor."

Samsung had more to do with the A4 than Apple ever did.]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
forgot that apple bought that company i was referring as proxy company. for what, we don't know, since the chip isn't theirs(likely for the arm expertise).]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
To be fair to Apple, it means they did a lot more than just go shopping for an existing chip and plopping it into their phone - but I wouldn't say that it went as far as to design it though.]]>Jun 8th 2010 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
You are of course correct on all counts.

Intrinsinty optimized the Cortex A8 ARM implementation in the Samsung fabbed SoC.

Then Apple bought Intrinsity.

Now Intrinsity is part of Apple's team.

So yes, Jobs is good at stretching the truth, that's for sure :)
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They were o pathetic trying to promote the iPad in ANY way, thinking it would end up being their savior. ]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 7:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 7:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/
I want a dual-core Cortex A9. The Tegra2 should do nicely...]]>Jun 8th 2010 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 9:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/Jun 8th 2010 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/apple-ipad-and-samsung-wave-share-a-brain/http://pic.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-i9000-galaxy-s/gal/new/gsmarena_008.jpg
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no dead pixel,the standard 800*480 on 4" and fucking super AMOLED]]>Jun 8th 2010 9:15AM