http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/ Engadget Comments for GM follows Ford, brings Google Maps to OnStar eNav systems http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
While I can completely understand your post in regard to GM and to a lesser degree Chrysler how can you lump Ford in there?

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Wow, why so angry?

First point, only 2 of the 3 automakers took federal funds. Ford stayed free and clear of all that mess, so quit generalizing.

Second point, letting GM and Chrysler go into bankruptcy and restructuring using federal funds saved countless jobs in the US, not to mention the world stage. I would rather see the line workers keep their jobs so they can buy consumer goods vs loosing their jobs, not having any money to spend and drive the economy further into the tank.

Third point, (which applies to second point) a great deal of the funds that were given to GM and Chrysler are paid back already and when they both start their IPO's the Gov't will be out of the auto industry and have been paid back even more.
]]>Jun 9th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
+1 for explaining the bigger picture to idiots]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Had GM and Chrysler gone through normal bankruptcy procedures, they would have come out leaner and more competitive companies instead of their bloated, business as usual selves. Plus their shareholders would not have gotten totally screwed. As far as paying back federal loans, what a joke. The infinitessimal amount they've paid back was with OTHER federal loan money and they're STILL in the hole for 30 billion that we will NEVER see.]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
The problem with letting them go through 'normal' bankruptcy proceedings would have most likely resulted in countless thousands being laid off and the plants grinding to a halt. I don't think people realize really how many people the auto industry directly employs as well as indirectly through suppliers. If even 1/4 to 1/2 of them had been laid off, its tens to hundreds of millions of dollars monthly that would have been removed from the economy.

@rstoplabe14

I'd love to see that as well, the problem is that it's been made cheaper to manufacture products in foreign countries by laws passed here in the US which increase price per piece as well as incentives in foreign countries to being our manufacturing to their country.

There was a time where we actually BUILT things in this country. A strong manufacturing base is a requirement to having a strong country and a strong middle class. As US manufacturing has been shipped off to foreign countries our middle class has been suffering. It's remarkably frustrating that the middle class only exists because foreign industry has filled the holes left by US manufacturing leaving.]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Agreed, but look who owns a majority of GM now.]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/I know that many governments have interests in their larger corporations to prevent just such a scenario but come on, GM has been losing market share for 40 years due to poor management and all the bailout has accomplished is to let these nimrods go right on doing what they've already failed at. Are we going to continually bail this overblown behemoth out every time it's business model fails? GM management's snail-like pace to change is legendary. Had we really effected some change at the top, I'd have more faith in the billions of OUR tax dollars doing some good but I remain skeptical.]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/You seem to think bailout money grows on trees. Money that was used to keep these money pits alive will/does come from taxes, which means less private investment, which means fewer jobs. And because that bailout money had to go through the extremely wasteful hand of government first, it means that far more jobs are lost than saved. Keeping that failed company alive COST jobs.]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
Of course, Chrysler and GM took a lot more than Ford.]]>Jun 9th 2010 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
Pacey, of course your argument is right. It's cheaper for american manufactures to produce in Mexico. But as rstoplabe14 pointed out all the german and japanese brands have built their factories in the US. Not in Mexico. So what does that say about GM, Chrysler and Co.?]]>Jun 9th 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
You point out 2 cars that are assembled elsewhere, but studies have shown the domestic automaker use a higher percentage of parts that come from the US and a higher percentage of cars are assemble here in the US.

On top of that you point about quality is completely wrong, Ford's quality is consistently rated at or above all other automakers and GM has been climbing considerably in the last few years. Chrysler still has a way to go, but they have definitely made good strides in the past 2 years.]]>Jun 9th 2010 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
Of course, Chrysler and GM took a lot more than Ford."

You are skewing the facts. Ford (and Nissan and Tesla) received energy loans to develop green/fuel cell technology. These are loans, with low interest rates that have to be paid back (by the end of 2013 if I remember correct). So Ford in no way received a handout of any sort. In fact, they were the first was to receive the low-interest rate loan because they did not get bailed out.]]>Jun 9th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/I only pointed out the tip of the iceberg because i did not want to write an essay. But if you must, ill give you one more. The Chevrolet Camaro ( 5th Generation) has become quite an example of the new GM, They proudly show it off on their new commercials. But the hidden part of that is where it came from. The cars i pointed out before, were made in Mexico, but designed in the US. But the new Camaro is by no stretch an American car. Most of the final design, testing, and engineering of the great muscle car was completed by Holden (Owned by GM) in AUSTRALIA! and the car is assembled by Oshawa Car Assembly in Canada!. Therefore the car is not American. There used to be a time when people said. "Whats good for GM is good for the US" and look at where that led us.

Also, this "American Quality" is kind of how my dad pays the bills. If he did not have to fix so many cars, the vast majority American

Oh, and one last thing. When I had to take my VW GLI in for some body work after a teen drove into me in the parking lot my insurance company gave me a Chevy Cobalt. That car was a big POS, sluggish, and really bad fit and finish. Not only that, then they gave me a Ford Fusion, and while driving on the expressway, the steering and suspension was a joke. and those were new cars, the one that they keep saying are SO much better. Thats when I stopped believing. ]]>Jun 9th 2010 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
That wasn't me. I was the one who said Ford didn't take loans.]]>Jun 9th 2010 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
The German and Japanese manufacturers don't have to deal with the Unions in most of their plants. That's where the major difference in costs comes from. If GM, Ford, and Chrysler were building cars in most of the same place they'd have to deal with additional union costs and yes, I'm aware certain southern states don't have union laws and that the US auto industry could move there, but I think Detroit might be a tad pissed. Being that I'm from Detroit, the last thing I want to see is more jobs leave the state. ]]>Jun 9th 2010 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/*make me (not let me)]]>Jun 9th 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
I agree, looks like they have a nice 90's display fail.]]>Jun 9th 2010 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Did you just say you're never SEEN a GM car?! Or you saying you've never seen the navigation features in a GM? The nav is OK in GM... Cars without a nav screen show you the directions on the radio display (arrows, road names, etc) and give you the audible directions). You can currently send a route to GM Nav from MapQuest...
Onstar is over $34/month with the Nav feature... Not worth it IMO. I wish they would let me subscribe to just nav and not the other onstar features (for a low cost or FREE). ]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/
Recalls happen for every automaker, from Kia to Cadillac. It's when you try and bury the defects and DON'T recall a product to repair something faulty that people get upset.]]>Jun 9th 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/It's about time they did that. Kudos to Ford for leading the way though.]]>Jun 9th 2010 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jun 9th 2010 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/gm-follows-ford-brings-google-maps-to-onstar-enav-systems/Jul 1st 2010 10:04PM