http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
The government is loving it because they paid 11Bn for Telstra's infrastructure which they sold for 14Bn. Telstra is loving it because they get a boatload of money to divest a network they keep complaining has a capped wholesale value whilst costs of maintaining regional links are ever growing. Plus they get a boatload of money to buy up wireless spectrum.]]>Jun 20th 2010 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
And the government actually wants to decommission the entire copper network? Isn't that a huge waste of infrastructure? Isn't there a way to combine services with the planned fiber for a even faster network?]]>Jun 20th 2010 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/they may be using cable down to at customer level, but I'm the company already has plenty of fiber optic lines at a higher level]]>Jun 20th 2010 5:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
And then give what I imagine would be a sweetheart deal on LTE. Ouch for govt, though you are right about Telstra loving it. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
Yeah, I'm surprised Engadget didn't make a joke about Australia's information censoring.]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 10:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Thats that I thought, just have the US Government buy AT&T's copper and fiber networks, invest a couple of extra billions on upgrades to enable every household in America have FTTx, and have a way to fund the system. Low income citizens can have subsidized service while wealthier people can pay for their connection. Also, there can be a couple of speeds that you can upgrade to. This will make the now monopolies offer voice and video as a service, therefore making them compete against each other in a level playing field. I mean its not like the US gov did not already spend billions of tax dollars to create the infrastructure, so why not have it benefit tax payers instead of big monopolies. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 21st 2010 6:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 21st 2010 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Really? Do you live in the US? All of those social welfare programs, you know the ones that the Far Right are so afraid of? Either way, with all of the subsidies that we give the telecoms (and the oil industry), we practically own the infrastructure. We should do it the same way school lunches work. If you qualify, you can get free or reduced lunch, if not you must pay full price, and if you don't qualify for free or reduced lunch and still don't have the money for lunch ( or forgot it ) we'll give you a PB&J sandwich w/ Milk. and if you want soda instead of milk ( thats before all the moms went crazy) you can buy it but pay full price for the upgrade. This model works great for a fiber to every household program.]]>Jun 21st 2010 6:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
And we still have to pay $40 a month for a 10gb download (and upload) quota.

Telstras evil, they prey on the elderly and people who think Telstra is "true blue aussie", so anything that gives them less control is good.]]>Jun 20th 2010 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
Amen brother, with those speeds the quota will be reached in no time at all.

The Melbourne fibre trial areas have quotas limited to 30Gb.

Its not enough if we are to go ahead with streaming movies and downloading games and household video calling.]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
We have a 12gb download and 7gb upload quota for $70 a month. We were using dial-up unitl 3 months ago, now were on satellite internet which has an inherent lag. We don't have options for cable/broadband/dsl, just dial-up and satellite.]]>Jun 20th 2010 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/I pay $80 a month including line rental and get 130gb dl, unmetered ul with exetel. AFAIK they are also participating in some of the fibre rollouts (tasmania).]]>Jun 20th 2010 8:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/while i don't know anything about the Australia internet game, what if when they get the network up and running they can eliminate the caps? thats probably the best that can happen]]>Jun 20th 2010 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
You do realise ADSL2+ isnt available in all areas?

We cant all live in Sydney....some of us have to survive on ADSL1 which is going UP in price while MOST ISPs now count uploads (they never used to)]]>Jun 21st 2010 2:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/TPG for example recently lowered the price of their ADSL1 plans. I pay 59.95 per month. The plan I am on would now cost 49.95 per month. Other plans from TPG have dropped in price as well (i.e. the amount you would pay for a given quota amount has fallen)
Other ISPs like Internode are also introducing reasonably priced plans (plans that are available to anyone on any Telstra DSL port I might add)

Usually, the people complaining about the increasing costs of ADSL just need to find a better ISP instead of the crappy one they are on now (usually Tel$ra or Optarse). If said person is on contract, they need to either leave and pay the early termination fee or they need to learn a lesson and switch to someone else at the end of the contract.

In any case, no matter what Telstra ADSL hardware you are connected to, for ANY standard Telstra ADSL1 plan (i.e. not one-off deals or special bundle deals where you have everything including home phone, mobiles, ADSL, Foxtel etc all on the one plan and bill) there will be alternatives out there that are cheaper.
]]>Jun 21st 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Wouldn't ADSL1 be nice... The best we can get is NextG, around 5km from the town centre by road.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 12:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
11 Billion dollars of tax payer's money just to replace one monopoly with an even worse one. Now *that's* progress. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/and that 11 billion will probably come from people who won't even use the service. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/At least with a democratic government the public has some say so over the way things run. When corporations have control only shareholders have any sway, leaving much more potential for screwing over the general public.]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
I pledge allegence, to the stocks, of the corperate states of america.

Meh, better than socialism]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
The government owns the infrastructure, not a SINGLE company that has both the infrastructure and the delivery. Think about it. Do you remember the halcyon days of AT&T before the split?]]>Jun 20th 2010 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
You want a say in a company, don't buy their products. See how fast they are to change their policies.

Now try that with the government. Don't want social security? Don't pay for it....oh wait, you don't have a choice. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
Nobody said you need to accept your Social Security Income. Refuse it in protest!]]>Jun 20th 2010 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
No I don't see whats wrong it...but thats cuz I'm not some paranoid nut job....]]>Jun 20th 2010 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 9:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 10:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
Uhh, don't want to pay for SS? Move to another country. Just as you can switch ISPs so can you emigrate. You act as if you are being forced to stay in the U.S. when I'm sure someone outside the U.S. would be happy to take your place.]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 21st 2010 1:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
It's an investment. Government believe they'll start getting money back in 7 years and then a profit in 14 years, which from there they'll privatise it again. Telstra are hopeless, a monopoly, and would never provide better technologies.

Broadband network are like our roads, rail and ports. Shame they're going to privatise it after 14 years.]]>Jun 21st 2010 2:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
Buying copper is, in my opinion, just as bad. Fibre isn't the future - it's the present.

Sent from my Fibre connection.]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/
75.00 Terabytes/sec = Light through glass fiber optic cables. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/australia-to-pay-telstra-a-11-billion-for-entire-copper-network/Jun 20th 2010 10:47PM