http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
I want to know if it's rendered in *real time.*

Any GPU, no matter how weak, can produce fantastic visuals if they pre-render. Sure it will take time, but the visuals as rendered by the chip is there.]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 21st 2010 1:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 21st 2010 1:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Not sure about the CPU, but just based on the polygon count alone, te GPU is nothing to write home about. The iPhone 3GS has the powerVR SGX535 which can do 28 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/s@200MHz, and the new powervr chips and nvidia's tegra both blow the iPhone away. ]]>Jun 21st 2010 1:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
I'm 99.9% shure its real time rendering. I have 2 reasons:
1. the futuremark logo, when you benchmark your pc its also from futuremark or something (3dmark) and thats real time rendering to.
2. why would engadget post it as "impressive" if it is just a movie clip thats playing.]]>Jun 21st 2010 2:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Yeah, futuremark would not be at all happy about their name being on this clip if it wasn't rendered in realtime]]>Jun 21st 2010 3:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
I checked the Source link and none there says "real time."]]>Jun 21st 2010 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
For Nintendo, a company with a current gen console running last gen hardware to have a handheld that's *not* 10 years behind the console hardware curve, that's impressive. Yes the PSP is powerful for a handheld, but I still think the 3DS, at the end of its life cycle will be pushing out games more impressive than Peace Walker or Ghosts of Sparta.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
33 Million polygons
333MHz

compared to

15.3
207MHz
]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Yeah, it's basically a PSP. The great thing about nintendo is that with outdated hardware they manage to capture the public and get the money they need (not the case with the gamecube though).]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Yes i'm aware its PSP but for a Nintendo DS its impressive as like Arkv2 and angelusp said they are usually for kids and have old hardware but at some point it was to be made at least comparable

i hate all DS's, had my PSP for years and nothing beats it. For me Nintendo turned gay after the N64

like many id die without my PS3 and 360.

i use my Wii as a paperweight, ]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Actually they made plenty of money with the GC. Was the only console that generation that was sold at a profit on day 1. Their 22million GC sales gave a LOT more profit than the close to 30million Xbox's.

With the Wii they increased that profit margin from day one by an insane difference. What a LOT of people seem to be completely ignorant of is just how much money Nintendo make and just how much money they make per sale. Its insane. Even if their products are seen as a 'flop' by the general public (like the GC) in actual fact on a money level it's anything but that.

While people are calling "last gen tech" I'm still seeing graphics far better than anything I've seen on iPhone/iPad/PSP. And if the past 6 years has proved anything it is that visual improvements are now incremental at best and that the masses have generally stopped caring about who pumps out the most polygons... ]]>Jun 21st 2010 5:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
alot like your comment then]]>Jun 21st 2010 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Well, you're wrong on the clock speed. The clock speed on the CPU on the PSP was rated at 333 MHz, but set to 222 MHz. The GPU, on the other hand, only ran at 166 MHz.]]>Jun 21st 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 21st 2010 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 21st 2010 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
The DS have the same amount or more games for hardcore gamers( and I'm talking about the people that love hard or mind crushing games, not fps's) than the psp. Just look at all the hard puzzle games, rpgs: both dungeon crawlers and s-rgp's, strategic games and all that rhythm games that defy the limits of human frustration when played on hard.
And some of the best psp games, look like they have been made for Nintendo consoles: Patapon, Loco Roco, Katamari Damacy, even Little Big Planet.
I like both handheld's, but for now I play more DS since it is getting a lot more rpg's.

Yes, 3DS have almost the same graphic power as the PSP, but that doesn't mater, the good thing about the 3DS is the lineup games.]]>Jun 22nd 2010 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
i don't mean any offence bro but the DS and Wii have always been targeted at a different audience, you know ever since i was a kid i just wanted effects, i played games for the motion blur, the gore, the realism, the intensity, Games are meant to relieve stress but the funs in gaining, you don't walk away from MotorStorm happy, as far as i can remember i was always swearing at someone after but before you reply with thats not real fun etc, to me its all the fun. I had a N64 as a kid, it was great but i moved on, Nintendo's E3 was once again DK (which i love ok) and Zelda and all the happy fantasity stuff, yes i am aware of RE and MGS etc but what did they show on the huge screen, games we've all played when we where little.

Look to me the Wii is a joke, hate me for it, yell at me, downrank me whatever, yea it sold million was a success etc but i'd never live upto the games on PS3.

Look don't agree with me, i got my view you got yours if you're happy with it than thats great.

Later bro keep chillin ]]>Jun 22nd 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Rendering takes the same amount time regardless of whether its moving or not, as far as the GPU is concerned.

The main things to get from this clip is the poly count, per-pixel lighting, and the variety of shader materials.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
You mean besides the tiny small leaves all movement independently in the background in response to a physics engine? ]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/well consider this, the camera moving shifts the static objects around, really not too different from them moving themselves, the logic involved with dynamic objects is handled by the CPU anyway,
I, for one, welcome our 3D samurai overlords]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
The camera moving around does a lot less math than moving objects around.]]>Jun 21st 2010 4:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 21st 2010 12:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/That's a hit on resolution only, not quality.

The end product of the graphics shown in 3D was easily more impressive than those of the PSP and iPhone.

I'm a bit bummed the 72 titles didn't include Donkey Kong Country..... this game seems to be made for the 3DS...]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/I dunno, this seems much weaker than what's available in the iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4/iPad...]]>Jun 21st 2010 1:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
No it wasnt]]>Jun 21st 2010 2:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Actually, the culling and per pixel shading will only be done once per frame, so doing 2 camera angles isnt twice the processing power as 1.

Though it does mean each camera angle gets half the polygon count. Which is already half that of PSP]]>Jun 21st 2010 4:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Best looking game I've seen of late on iOS is Backbreaker and it doesn't come close to what we've seen on 3DS so far??!]]>Jun 21st 2010 5:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Are you ucking serious ?]]>Jun 21st 2010 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
"The 3DS has received a significant graphical power boost, too. We saw a remake of PS2 hit title Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater running on it and, even in its early form, it looked far superior to the PS2 original. Graphically, 3DS will easily surpass the PSP."

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/handhelds/hands-on-nintendo-3ds-review-697325#ixzz0rSbVQIcN]]>Jun 21st 2010 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
YES, deadly....]]>Jun 21st 2010 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Bottom line, this thing should look sick.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
Current PSP can generate 33 million polygons per second at around 300 mhz. And the PSP has been out for how many years?

not talking about game selections here, but the specs for the 3DS is hardly something to be boasting about]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
That means nothing. 33 million polygons rendered how? A solid color? Is there any texture mapping? Do they have any lighting at all? Is it per-pixel lighting? And if there are programmable shaders that's a whole other can of worms.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 20th 2010 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
So this looks to be orders of magnitude more powerful than the DS, which didn't really have any proper 3D hardware. It was just a GameBoy Advance with a special "3d mode" added on.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/ 1-333 MHz (set at 222 MHz by default)]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/
"The 3DS has received a significant graphical power boost, too. We saw a remake of PS2 hit title Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater running on it and, even in its early form, it looked far superior to the PS2 original. Graphically, 3DS will easily surpass the PSP."

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/handhelds/hands-on-nintendo-3ds-review-697325#ixzz0rSbVQIcN]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/dmps-pica200-gpu-is-the-power-behind-nintendo-3ds-video/Jun 21st 2010 12:48AM