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Get this outta the lab soon please :)]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Yea, because these will be free, set up for you, and will run on magical pixie dust that they are more than happy to share with you and your tenants.
/facepalm
You'll be dead before these become more affordable that traditional AC systems.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Well that seemed snarky and uncalled for]]>Jun 20th 2010 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
Did I say it would be free, cheap, and setup for me? It could cost a lot more and still be worth it. I have an AC unit that costs over $2k to run a month in the summer. If a new system were truly 90% more efficient or even 50%, it wouldn't take long for it to pay off it's increase in price.]]>Jun 20th 2010 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
i dont know why nobody's pointed this out yet, but CFCs and HCFSs don't contribute to global warming. global warming is the greenhouse effect created from water vapor and some gaseous carbon compounds such as CO2 and methane.

with CFCs, the chlorine/flourine in the compound stays intact until the ozone layer of the atmosphere, where it reacts with the ozone molecules and oxygen atoms in order to take them out of the ozone cycle. hence destroying our ozone layer, this lets ultraviolet light in that causes skin cancer, etc... but its not global warming.

HCFCs are a little better since they're not supposed to make it so high in the atmosphere before breaking apart, but they still do to some extent.

also, i do not believe CFCs are taken into consideration when calculating carbon footprint.]]>Jun 20th 2010 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
And global warming or not, using less energy is a good thing (regardless of the cost savings). Can't we all agree that reducing how much oil/coal gets burnt up in a good thing?]]>Jun 20th 2010 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice engadget's clear lack of basic climate science. Lol @ poor research there big e]]>Jun 20th 2010 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
While I agree that this is a much needed step forward, there are a lot of things people can do to make their existing units more efficient:

In crease Insulation to 12 inches.

Surround outside units with bushes or other plants (this will cool the unit by a few degrees, making it easier for the unit to cool the air).]]>Jun 20th 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Good job mynk]]>Jun 20th 2010 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
How many units per building do you typically have? Also what's ratio of revenue per month vs debt service? I am looking to buy buildings in New England but any half way decent ratio are all in really bad to awful areas. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
Global Warming and the Ozone Hole are both scams...
Global Warming isn't really happening....and the ozone hole is always changing in size. The small amounts that get up to the ozone layer won't ever do enough damage for us to worry about.

]]>Jun 20th 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
Right, except for the CFC part. The last C stands for carbon.]]>Jun 20th 2010 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 21st 2010 1:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Vancouver?? High heat and muggy nights?? Are you fucking kidding me? I lived on the west coast of Canada all my life, but now live near Hong Kong. Try the humidity of southern Asia before you EVER complain about Vancouver's humidity LOL]]>Jun 21st 2010 4:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 21st 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/No need to wait for this to come out of the lab. There is a perfectly good and capable system available for commercial use that has a fast return on investment and can also utilize renewable energy. This is DuCool. Visit their website at www.ducool.com and contact LIGPA at www.LIGPA.com for your US installations.]]>Jun 21st 2010 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Just imagine your lady friends ;)]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
90% more efficient != 90% less energy

If it were 100% more efficient it would use half the energy. 90% more efficient means it is using about 53% of the power.

Try not to use shampoo maths. :P]]>Jun 20th 2010 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
"The U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory has invented a new air conditioning process with the potential of using 50 percent to 90 percent less energy than today's *top-of-the-line* units. " (emphasis mine)

So, 90%, which is in-line with your 53% is the baseline, it actually gets upto 90% power savings (funny, that's what the OP posted that you tried to upstage).

Now, obviously it's reduces more than 90% of the power input on bottom-of-the-line or older less efficient tech. So, really, even your 50% is way off from the average consumer and business units.

]]>Jun 20th 2010 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
Nothing to do with upstaging, just trying to correct.

Anyway, I was going off how engadget wrote the article, 2 mistakes in one article is pretty impressive. I didn't think I would need to check the source to see if engadget was correct. My statement holds for the information I had.

Cheers.]]>Jun 20th 2010 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
Dont get me wrong, I think the tech would be amazing, I'm just trying to correct a mathematical mis-comprehension (even though my source was unfortunately inaccurate)

Any power saving with these devices would be amazing, in Australia we get blackouts during the summer because of the AC.]]>Jun 20th 2010 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
Again, I saw two ways to look at the original article, instantly I wanted to hope that they wrote it wrong as in an absolute sense 90% efficiency might be quite good (I have no clue how efficient an AC currently is), but came to look at the comments to see what interesting alternatives might already be out there on the horizon (something Engadget doesn't always know). In all honestly, I didn't even see the 3rd way which was decrease the actual way. I thought either they'd remove 90% of the waste or make it close to 100% more efficient (though I found that to actually be unlikely because it's just a weird phrasing..."almost twice as efficient" makes more sense their for intuition and marketing, PS Engadget headlines in a sense are marketing because they are trying to "sell" you articles, even if you don't have to pay anything out of pocket). However, I didn't really see the 3rd possibility of they using 90% less power until I read the OP and then wanted to see who was right.

I'm not sure when you were clued into these 2 incorrect statements, but if the other one was before your post then maybe it'd have been even more in your interest to check the facts because it's not like Engadget is a tech blog, not a scientific journal. It seems like from your comment on the first thread that you had some issues with the article to start, perhaps you should've ignored it completely and relied on the people who have a better understanding of the tech. ]]>Jun 20th 2010 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/lol@ all the comments.

I don't think it will be "free", just pray it won't cost an arm and a leg. If they are smart.. they'll price it competitively or even slightly cheaper than current units.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
...And that is why I hate Republicans.]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
and thats why i love politics, because you guys seem to think it matters which party your for... ]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Jun 20th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/Engadget still believes in Global Warming...]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/20/researchers-develop-air-conditioning-thats-90-percent-more-effi/
Congrats on opening Pandoras box]]>Jun 20th 2010 11:44AM