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Great! I have high expectations with MeeGo.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
I heard they killed 32 babies, too.

They said they had to.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Wait a sec... symbian^4????

whatever happened to symbian^3?]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
This is great news - I actually prefer meego to android.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/I'm glad Nokia realized Symbian to be a big limiting factor for something like the N8, something the fanboys don't seem to]]>Jun 23rd 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
Are there any news what MeeGo for smartphones might look like?
The netbook and tablet versions look so completely different, so it's hard to tell what we can expect. ]]>Jun 23rd 2010 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
still, i'm looking ahead to meego, which looks nothing short of awesome so far, but this move by nokia just seems plain confusing. smells of desperation, almost]]>Jun 23rd 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Why? N8 is just a name, if even that. There'll be more handsets like it under different categories. Even now the grouping is somewhat artificial. Yes, we will see more capable smartphones in the lower categories, but that's inevitable.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/By the law of successive numbers you should be able to deduce this by yourself (hint: It's not coming out after symbian^3)]]>Jun 23rd 2010 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/All those haters kept saying, "Oh, Symbian is so old-fashioned and slow as hell, Nokia sucks and will never understand how to make a smartphone"

NOW I SAY, WAIT TILL YOU SEE ONE OF THESE DEVICES!!! N900 was GREAT and all those who have used it would definitely say that itis MUCH BETTER than the iPhone! Peace]]>Jun 23rd 2010 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
I don't think it'll make that much difference considering the vast majority of phone buyers buy phones without reading OS comparisons.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
S^3 comes on N8 and possibly other non-N series phones. No need to panic - it is just a branding exercise. Nokia will continue to sell S^3, S^4, S^5.... phones except their names wont start with "N". Thats all.
]]>Jun 23rd 2010 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
First of all, its just a branding exercise and on top of that most people are missing the subtle strategy play being made here. Look at the price of the N8 - it is not even *priced* as a high-end phone. It is already a mid-range handset (except it's "N" name) and yet it gets compared favorably to the latest and greatest of the high-end smartphones (or superphones whatever...). Thats where Symbian is going. Guess what that does to the cheap Android/Bada/Bing/XYZ handset market? - Thats right, it kills them. And guess whose marketshare increases because of that?

I think after 2-3 years the Nokia ship is finally bearing down on its target (and about time too!) - 2011 should be the year to watch.

In a few years when Jobs is gone, Apple will probably go back to its John Sculley years (and I will have hopefully sold all my shares) but Google will continue to innovate and we will see another change in the phone/tablet/mobile market space.
]]>Jun 23rd 2010 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/I agree, when i read the title i got that sinking feeling that the n8 i've been waiting for will be outdated in months.
It's like when the rumor got out that ford was bringing back the 5.0, why would anyone buy a 4.6 with the good stuff on the horizon.

What would really be cool was if they released meego for the n8 sometme in the future.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/If you think that it smell of desperation, you simply have no clue.
Symbian is a great OS, that does among other things, full multitasking on low speced devices. It has a browser with flash lite today, and flash 10.1 in a few moths. Its great for workhorse phones, cause it wont drain your battery, and it wont slow your productivity down with cool effects. But its simply not a High end OS, anymore.
MeeGo is the next step in smartphones. Its a real computer OS, running on a phone. What you get is a small computer. Many, or all with USB-host fincutionality. Soon HDMI out... the list goes on. a MeeGo phone, could actually with some kind of docking be a terminal computer, or even a simpler computer for home or office use.
This surely is the next step.
Imagine running the same programs on your desktop, in your phone, all the editing possibilities in your office suit... no lost formatting in the on the go unit. Full broser experience. real multitasking, and if you look at clips on the web, it real multitasking, at a high level!
All that is amazing, but it requires at least some CPU performance, some Ram, some GPU performance. This simply cant be made cheap enough for low end devices, and that where Symbian comes in.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Aug 15th 2010 1:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
Ohhhhh boy.... It's not pretty, but Symbian (NON-Touchscreen) S60 is one of the best mobile OS's that I have used, I've played around with androids, iPhones, WinMo.... And Symbian and WinMo I consider to be the most versatile, but symbian is the most stable. It has all the features all the other OS's are announcing support for now, be it Magical, Revolutionary or whatever.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
It's not pretty or "smooth", but it does the job perfectly. Loving the offline capabilities with Nokia Symbian devices.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Many? They still sell more phones than Apple, RIM etc combined. A few % up or down won't change the fact that phones = Nokia.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
Anyway, I can't blame anyone who's angry at Nokia for the N97 fiasco. People paid A LOT of money for the N97 which firmware wasn't decent until 18 months after. Regardless, I'm looking forward to MeeGo.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
S60 3ed edition on the E71 kicks blackberry's ass- and this is speaking from experience of at least a 8 months with both devices.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
Especially when N97 was released 12 months ago.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Eclipse Public License, not GPL. If sure would have been nice if they had used GPL v. 3 though, since that would have prevented them from enforcing that Symbian Signed bullshit.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/I have had first hand experience with some Symbian S60 devices, and my experiences are not the best.
But still, it doesnt suck. The OS is capable, but sometimes it has been on bad hardware.

Symbian has real multitasking.
It has support for millions of colours in the display, something google for example didnt add that long ago.
Support for video-calling.
Copy/paste.
MMS-support.
and the list goes on, and it has had all for many years.

It just does not look very flashy... on the other hand, that is why it can offer full multitask on low speced hardware. Browsing with flash (be it flash lite, til 10.1 will come out later this year).

The problem with the 5th edition (touch edition), is that when nokia made a touch version, they kept too much of the old thought. And that double click/single click makes it confusing. And to make it worse, it still wasnt compatible with 3rd edition software. But with just some tweaks, Nokia can turn Symian in to a workhorse touch OS, as well, and that is what they are doing right now, with Symbian^3 and Symbian^4. I guess, nokia really wasnt ready to release touch-phones, when they did. Perhaps, Maemo was always in their mind for future touchphones, just that the market shifted, begining with LG Prada, when it was fist shown of in september 2006. Touchscreen became the trend, and nokia didnt think that would happen for some years to come, thus maemo wasnt ready... and they trew Symbian in there instead.
Still symbian 5th edidtion doesnt suck either. It does a whole lot of things, it simply does not look awesome. And there is a lack in programmer support for the platform.
]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/No, just higher end devices under the mobile computer Nseries brand.
How high in the portfolio Symbian will go is unclear. you will see many awesome media devices, and perhaps some camera devices still under Symbian. And you will see the Enterprise series still using it for a while.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
The thing is. If someone likes the N8 s/he should buy it. Period. There will be no difference between the apps that MeeGo and Symbian will run now that the Qt SDK is out in the wild for mobile devices.]]>Jun 24th 2010 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
Well I am. It kind of eats the tension to know there's something better coming. But the price is lower on N8.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/
Qt will work on Symbian and MeeGo.

Still confused?]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/There has been a demand for a symbian emulator for Maemo. But its still not here, so dont get your hopes high on that.
But on the other hand, why would you want that, if it emulates Symbian touch or Symbian S60 5h edition as its realle called, there are not that many programs for it. Its the navigation software, and that will probably come in a MeeGo version. There is the sportstracker software, and hopefully even that will make it to MeeGo.
An emulator for S60 3rd edition would give us a whole lot of more apps, but then you need hardware keys, so really, that is only usable on devices with hardware keyboard, and there will be a lotout there, without it. So, we prorably wont get a emulator for that.

About the QT thing. If an application is made using QT, you can port it quite simply to MeeGo. Not meaning that every Symbian application will run on MeeGo. But the ones made with QT, that are worth it, you will se on MeeGo.
Also MeeGo is linux, and as MeeGo userbase starts to expand, you will se more and more linux apps under MeeGo.

If you want the N8 for its camera, the N9 is an unsure bet, rumors talk of 12 MP, but i kinda doubt that Nokia in just a few moths will repalace the N8 camera phone with a N9 that takes just as good pictures. Sure it might have 12 mp, but the sensor and the lens will probably be different, resulting in less performance in photos.
But probably still a pretty good mobile camera, since Nokia has been good on that for quit a while, just that they've almost only used 5mp censors.

When comparing to Evo, its a different story. I dont know if greece has a wimax network. And if you dont, half the point of that model is lost. Otherwise its a fast android with a really big screen.
Android has a lot of programmer support, so there are many applications. You wont see as many for MeeGo in the begining, but it really comes down to, if you really need that amout of applications just to get the ones you want.

I prefer the MeeGo Os thought, as its a real computer OS, running on a phone. It has real multitasking, and you choose if you want to close an applications, under Android, the OS does that for you, if you dont get 3rd party software.
MeeGo will likely be compatible with bluetooh keyboard, and bluetooth mice. And the N9 will porably have a HDMI out, so in theory, you got yourself a little computer there.
And in the future, you might be running MeeGo on more devices than your phone, a tablet, or netbook, or even laptop, or you might dual-boot a laptop.. and when doing that, you can use the same software on both your mobile and your computer. menaing that you can truly take a document on the go, and have full edit on your phone.

And probably with meego, you will not have to wait for Nokia to make a new version of the OS for your phone to get it, you will porobably be able just to download it as its out, and install it on your own.]]>Jun 23rd 2010 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/Jun 23rd 2010 9:20AM