http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/I have the feeling you do not know that intellect is.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 7:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
You do have valid points without those cheap shots the others *cough*Chris*cough* throw at Nokia.

So here is the deal, if you continue being this balanced I will mail you nutella crêpes. Straight from France eh?

What you say?]]>Jul 2nd 2010 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/pls tell us, we may be living in a lie as well]]>Jul 2nd 2010 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
Nokia's latest moves leave me really dumbfounded. Why the hell did they go with Megoo, which was intended for Netbooks in the first place, and not Android, a proven OS with apps already available? WTF. If Android was closed and cost $$ for them, I'd understand, but it's not.

[Person X] Hi, we have this great engine from Ferrari you could use in your new cars, it will sell like hotcakes since it outperforms any engine and mods and parts are easily available for your customers as well.
[Nokia] No thanks. We're going to use this Kia engine and hope it "magically" outperforms the Ferrari engine.
[Person X] But the cost is the same, why wouldn't you go with the Ferrari engine which is proven to be better and sell.
[Nokia] Bbbbbbbb, we're going with the Kia engine. "Why" is not important, it's about being different...that's what customers want and what sells.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 7:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 7:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
Why the heck did Google go with Android if Maemo was already established and proven concept with thousands of devices sold in the market 2 years that preceeded Androids launch?

These are the facts:
-Nokia had OSes before. Maemo and Symbian came before Android.
-Android is NOT a conventional Linux distribution.
-Maemo/MeeGo are Linux foundation projects
-Symbian was founded in 2008. Google could easily have gone Symbian too.

So your little story is kinda flawed.
]]>Jul 2nd 2010 7:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
Makes no sense to not use Android, it has surpassed the others even if it's been around the least amount of time]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/I get the feeling you don't understand what a smartphone IS.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
I'm with ya. Can you imagine a N8 Android device? Nokia would be smart to just offer a skin of Android - a la Motorola and HTC instead of these platforms that, in the North American market it seems, are only destined to be 4th place with little to no app support.

Nokia's Euro-ness designs and relatively high level of build quality in it's high end phones would be a good match for Android in our market, too bad they have the European trait more associated with ze Germans - stubbornness ]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/ing that ragged poor excuse of an os, that battery munching vm monstrosity designedto give google a similar audience as apple enjoys. its all about content, for now at least, and that is something nokia should do themselves. android is really poor tech, and that in itself is enough reason to stay away. other companies wish they had the resources to go alone. ]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/you are more or less contradicting your own statement, you know. go back to 2008ish when Android was launched. I ask you why did Google make Android in the first place when Symbian was already more polished and ready to use?
So, do you still think your statement makes sense?

You see, the reason we are all commenting on this blog and not working for Nokia is, Nokia has a sense of direction. It has a clear vision of what the future looks like. And they aren't going to succeed by doling out panic products made using competitors' components. Oh no...they will build their own fort, sir.

See you in 2012ish when Nokia has reached where it wants to be.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
I think what you are trying to say is that android needs a "ferrari" engine to run comfortably, whereas Nokia only needs a kia engine to run the same amount of features. actually it runs more still.

just because its prettier, doesn't mean its as mature, effective, and efficient. ]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/I like anssi a lot more than the current outgoing CEO, he seems like he's more in touch with the users and things going on around him than Olli Pekka]]>Jul 2nd 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Symbian is still more than 40% of the smartphone market. Get out of your basement once in a while.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
" I think Anssi is the best person to bring Nokia to success - he is young, humble, open minded and outgoing..."

Anssi might be ongoing but definately he is _not_ young or outgoing. He is part of the "good old" Nokia Dream Team that made Nokia's success in the 90's. Today, he should be thinking about retiring. The sooner the better. And this opionion comes from a Finn and a Nokia owner.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
Spaz. Android was announced in 2007, not 2008 - i.e. when Symbian was proprietary. Google wanted Android for the same reason Nokia don't. They want to be in control of their destiny - is that so hard to understand?]]>Jul 2nd 2010 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/sorry you took offense mate. i only asked that question to z0phi3l who doesn't seem to understand why different phone manufacturers need to use different OSes

i love Symbian and Android both]]>Jul 2nd 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
And you do realize the in the CE device space "NOW" changes extremely fast. Till now Android has not shown any USP (except fandroids chanting like zombies "use Android) which makes it a compelling solution for Nokia. iOS brought the USP of being an extremely touch-centric, quality UX OS (albeit very limited feature-wise). Symbian is extremely optimized and functional. Android is neither here nor there. And then there is Maemo which is as compelling, if not more, than Android. What is the gain for Nokia in using Android? There are certainly none in context of technology and even with the excellent growth of Android, its global brand equity is still in its infancy. Remember Nokia is a hardware company which has been doing embedded system software before Google even existed. Their Achilles heel is the UI (naturally!) which is what Anssi Vanjokki is talking about fixing. The rest they have secured already.

Remember the phrase "Dont judge a book by its cover"? Similarly dont judge an OS by its flashy transitions or geek cred - most paying customers are not geeks and dont give a damn about the OS.

And don't forget Nokia sells phones to the entire world and not just the US - people fail to appreciate that when they keep harping about Android.
]]>Jul 2nd 2010 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/"okia has
a sense of direction. It has a clear vision of what
the future looks like. And they aren't going to
succeed by doling out panic products made using
competitors' components. Oh no...they will build
their own fort, sir."

yeah...so did palm & what happened to them? Market doesn't need another OS. that's where palm lost it. Nokia needs Meego, but not consumers. Android succeeded coz, consumers wanted an alternative to iOS. Nokia's arrogance will bring them down. Ask Rubenstein!]]>Jul 2nd 2010 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
Totally agree.

He seems to be much more in touch and to actually care of what's happening/what's being said about Nokia on the net. The fact that he commented on the Android rumours, on Symbian-guru and on the N-series "confusion" shows that. He even replied to comments on the blog. That's a good sign.]]>Jul 3rd 2010 1:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/A very good sign.
Provided he sticks to task, I think he'll do alright.
Rumor has it he's the one that delayed the N8 because the experience wasn't quite good enough.]]>Jul 3rd 2010 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 3rd 2010 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
Keep watching that will soon drop to 35% of the world market]]>Jul 3rd 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 3rd 2010 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 7:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/I wuz like whoooot]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 6:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/It's PRE-Alpha now, that's before alpha and beta and RC.
Nokia had a shot with Maemo 5 over 6 months ago but they went back to the drawing table- again.
People need a new platform which will grow AND stick around. ]]>Jul 2nd 2010 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
Of course, none of this precludes success - we'll have to wait and see I guess..]]>Jul 2nd 2010 6:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/All correct but that was true 2 years ago too and Nokia still dozed off the TS-boom. And with Meego still far from being ready that will drive many more to Android&Co.
The N900 was great but the only one of its kind and the N8 will be about the same kind of thing. That's driving away people who look for some kind of long term vision.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 6:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Personaly I think that they need to put MeeGo UI on Symbian3 and call it a day.]]>Jul 2nd 2010 7:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/ Nokia sells more devices -> more developers start making apps more it -> advanced users get more spread platforme, its easy as that]]>Jul 2nd 2010 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/
You must remember that what you call an ugly OS, most of my non-techie friends just call 'functional'. It makes calls, sends texts, handles email and you can download the occasional fart app, and that's all they want from a phone ;)]]>Jul 2nd 2010 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/nokia-the-fight-begins-now-symbian-4-n-series-device-later/Jul 2nd 2010 8:22AM