http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Since the resolution is doubled, the rows are half as tall, meaning that you can fit two rows in the space that would otherwise have occupied one)

Each row is polarized 180 degrees apart, btw - that's what allows your left eye to see rows 1, 3, 5, 7... and your right to see 2, 4, 6, 8....

It's basically fancy interlacing.]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
The digital projectors I've seen alternate frames very quickly, not used a spacial interlacing like you described.]]>Jul 9th 2010 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Seems that wikipedia doesn't quite agree:

Together with Sony's 4K SXRD imaging chip projector the 4K image is divided into two 2K images that are stacked on top of each other, one for the left eye, one for the right eye. Through parallel lenses these two images are projected simultaneously in opposite circular polarization states for both eyes instead of interleaving them. The movie is presented at 2K, the same resolution as is achieved on a 2K projector with the added benefit of reduced flash artifacts.


I was thinking it worked how you described, too - but it just didn't make sense that it could work that way.]]>Jul 9th 2010 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Eh. 3D is another step to killing thoughtful cinema, right after the fart comedy trends.]]>Jul 9th 2010 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
The new projectors work exactly like the ones you're familiar with, only instead of alternating the images, they just interlace them.

I am guilty of oversimplification, though, on the first post. They really don't do row-by-row interlacing, per se. Being digital they're able to interlace individual pixels - but they are offset top-to-bottom for alternating images, producing the same result.

Being digital, they could just as easily offset alternating image pixels left-to-right, but the human eye picks that up more easily, producing a slightly blurred image.

Our eyes are used to the images from each eye being offset top to bottom - if your head (and eyes) are not exactly level to the image you're looking at, each eye displays an image that differs (primarily) on the y axis, but our brains adjusts the images and we "see" only a slightly rotated image. If you cross your eyes, however, or otherwise "unfocus" them on an image, the images are offset along the x-axis, and all you get is blurred or double vision.

More info than you wanted, I'm sure, but I've had lots of coffee this morning.]]>Jul 9th 2010 8:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Of course they alternate frames very quickly ... that's why the images appear to move, as in, a movie.

Interlacing is exactly as the word describes, interlacing or interweaving two frames in space by alternating them quickly and slightly off setting them, exactly so your eye cannot see the gaps in each frame.

With 4x the resolution, there is no need to interlace frames, so that ~twice the horizontal the information can appear at the same time. I would bet that interlacing still occurs and it does not actually show both the left and right eye simultaneously, but you still get the same bump in information that your eye can capture ... depending on how far away you are from the screen and your eyesight.]]>Jul 9th 2010 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
If you watch a movie on a 4K, go to the right edge of the theater. If the screen doesn't dim (and I mean more than 50%- as in you-couldn't-watch-the-movie-from-here dim) - it's not using radial polarization.]]>Jul 9th 2010 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Here's interlacing - 2 images shown simultaneously (1 is pixels from image 1, 2 is pixels from image 2).....

1111111111111111111111111111111111
2222222222222222222222222222222222
1111111111111111111111111111111111
2222222222222222222222222222222222


Here's alternating - two images flashing really fast (same scheme for 1s and 2s)

First image:
1111111111111111111111111111111111
1111111111111111111111111111111111

Second image:
2222222222222222222222222222222222
2222222222222222222222222222222222


The technology we're talking about here is interlacing - simultaneous display of two images.]]>Jul 9th 2010 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
The Sony display 2 2K resolution images on the 4K chip at the same time and has a special lens that splits that into 2 seperate outputs each with it's own polarizer, they are then aligned so the images line up on top of each other one the screen.]]>Jul 9th 2010 10:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Regardless of the actual methodology discussed here, it all equates to the same thing: 2K resolution 3D from a 4K projector.

I corrected that Wiki entry a few months ago to what Sony stated (2K 3D resolution from 4K projectors). The entry was later corrected to 4K 3D from 4K projectors, stating that Sony's press release was wrong! Looks like it was switched back again.

-Pie]]>Jul 9th 2010 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Pixar's 3D technology isn't that great. I don't find much of an enhancement over 2D, though TS3 was an improvement over the very crappy 3D of Up.

Dreamworks, OTOH, has insanely great 3D technology. Monsters vs. Aliens and How to Train Your Dragon were significantly enhanced by the 3D experience. When it's done right, it is like the step from original academy standard (~4:3) to Scope.

-Pie]]>Jul 9th 2010 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Which cinema did they go to.... as far as i can tell from apollo's website, no london cinema has been upgraded to 4K yet. Am I missing something?]]>Jul 9th 2010 2:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Absolutely correct. This Engadget post is very misleading. The editors need to do a better job of vetting their posts.

Let me say it clearly:
Sony 4K SRX systems display two 2K images for 3D. This does not add up to 4K. Do not be misled by the marketing. And by the way, just because a 2D can be presented in 4K does not magically make the LCOS "black" levels match DLP. UGH, why do people always fall for the marketing hype?!]]>Jul 9th 2010 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
i want my 4k screen right now. not for movies, but for work.. :)

i hope there'll be a 4k cinema near to me to enjoy toystory on it. and for the 3d, i'll hope to find a place in the middle of the screen.]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Sounds like it is really only 2K for each eye. Marketing people got their hands on the naming.]]>Jul 9th 2010 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Toy Story 3 wasn't filmed in 3D, since, you know, it was CG. But that doesn't matter because it's pretty much just a filter anyway so it can be applied whenever you render the movie]]>Jul 9th 2010 8:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Actually, Toy Story 3 didn't seem to benefit from the 3D treatment in my mind at all. Saw it in 3D. Might as well have seen it in 2D for all the good it did to the experience.

Other recent movies (like How to Train Your Dragon and even Shrek 4) have done much better with the 3D treatment.]]>Jul 9th 2010 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Agree ... kind of. TS3 in 3D was very subtle. Only a few moments when you really were immersed. However, the subtlety of the experience was still impactful.

My opinion - if you really notice the 3D they did it wrong. 3D should enhance your experience by making it more life like. Over the top 3D does not make it more realistic ... just more irritating. ]]>Jul 9th 2010 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Shut up.]]>Jul 9th 2010 8:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Why don't you ask her?]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/higher res always equals higher enjoyment unless source image is 640x480]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Hockey in SD = unwatchable.

Hockey in HD = awesome. You can actually see the puck in HD. (anyone remember that stupid blue cloud around the puck they had to use before HD?)

4k HD might even make NASCAR exciti... nevermind.]]>Jul 9th 2010 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
When ticket prices hike up another $5-10 overtime because of this Movie theaters will have to determine how much the consumer is willing to pay to go see a movie...]]>Jul 9th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/2d posts have always been a massive fail especially when you wait three post again in three minutes due to not waiting]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
Says the guy who's replies on this article have generally been of "massive fail" quality.]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/yet you added a even worse quailty comment to this article by replying to one you see as bad]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/you live in the same city i was born in
GO KSU!]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
But isn't that the spirit of engadget comments? Degrade the quality overall?

/s

;-)]]>Jul 9th 2010 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/idn but KSU alone gives u upranks from now on from me]]>Jul 9th 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/no headache avatar in 3d for almost 3 hours causes no headach unless your very sensitive might cause pian on your nose bridge thouhg]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/Jul 9th 2010 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
So yeah, higher resolution would be better.]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/what movie was that cause imax movies that are shot with an imax camera have a very high res]]>Jul 9th 2010 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
I have 2 real Imax theaters within 30 minutes of where I live (Jordan's FTW) and 1 fake Imax (Loews on the Boston Common). The digital Imax looks like shit. I got a refund after the movie by talking to the manager. ]]>Jul 9th 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/toy-story-3-in-4k-3d-does-higher-res-equal-higher-enjoyment/
It obviously needed higher resolution for a screen that size.]]>Jul 9th 2010 10:32AM