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Bing on the iPhone is pretty brilliant. I assume it is the same on other devices, their whole setup for mobile browsing through their engine. Especially their Bing images.

Give it a try people, it is noice.]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
no damn u, you commented when i was logining in]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
idk why, but everything made by Google works like a dream on Android. ill stick with Google.com :P]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
Unfortunately Microsoft kills of most of the good stuff they make. I'm still pissed about the Courier going the way of the Dodo.

It seems the only thing that MS can do these days is Entrench and Exploit. I suppose they had to go back to their roots.]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 11th 2010 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 11th 2010 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 11th 2010 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Since Office Mobile, Zune Pass, and Xbox Live are all main attractions of Windows Phone 7, why would Microsoft port them to other platforms?]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
market research showed that Mac owners would tend to lean towards the iphone and not toward a windows phone, zune pass..

sorry. you should own a pc if you want to use windows phone.

]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
because they do it better on windows phone. Why have a walled garden? ]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Really? So Mac fanboys can have Xbox Live, Zune pass and Mobile Office on the iPhone!

The most stupid commend I've ever heard. Those are "the" features for Windows Phone 7. Why would Microsoft give competitor an edge?]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
When I seen that pic, I immediately thought, "Man, that kind of look would really look amazing for an OS."

Anyone else agree?]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
because mac fans actually want that stuff because they know windows phone 7 is awesome by they already sold their life to itunes and steve jobs, so they have to beg for these features like idiots]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
Hope Microsoft is listening ]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/And ignoring too!

Microsoft would rather have people playing Xbox Live games on Windows Phone 7 than people playing Xbox Live games on the iPhone.

This is like asking Apple to release Final Cut Pro for Windows. It's not going to happen which is a good thing.]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
I absoloutley disagree with this article, considering the recent changes Microsoft has made with there entire ecosystem from the zune to windows 7(minus the kin).

I believe that Microsoft is going to put a huge emphasis on it's zune, xbox, and office hubs when it comes to advertising windows phone 7. That functionality, along with the multiple carriers and handsets the operating system is going to be available on will be part of what Microsoft needs to make windows phone 7 series stand out from the crowd, and give it the potential to be an even bigger success.

Making those features available on other platforms would be a good business move for Microsoft if they didn't have there own mobile operating system, of which they've put out millions of dollars and time into creating.]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
Many of the Zune services, including Zune Pass, are still largely US centric. I imagine that once WP7 launches, that will change, but the regoinality has to die before they consider other platforms.

Just a couple of salient points the article kind of misses. ; )]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
I agree that MS has absolutely no reason to port Zune Pass to Android/iPhone/Symbian etc, but that doesn't mean I don't want them to.

It is a brilliant service. I love it on my ZuneHD and if I wasn't so dedicated to Android at this point I would seriously consider WP7 just for the Zune integration]]>Jul 11th 2010 9:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Was going to get the droid x but the locked down bootloader is pushing me to wait for the wp7 launch. Go Microsoft.]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
You people speak as though Microsoft already have a position of strength in this market, and that WP7 is guarantee success. People are not going to switch to WP7 just to use Office, so it is in MS best interest to offer it to competitors to keep it relevant in the mobile market. They will just use something else (iWork, Google Doc). ]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Agree. I for one own a Zune HD with Zune Pass, Xbox with Xbox Live subscription, and Microsoft Office 2010. The reason I plan to buy Windows Phone 7 is to extend those services to my phone. If those services is available on other phones, what motivation do I have to buy Windows Phone 7?]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Really, who else have Xbox Live? Apple - No; Google - No

iWork have problems exporting to Office files; Google Doc - same thing

Zune subscription. Apple - No; Google - No
Many people would rather pay a subscription than pay for individual songs like they do now on iTunes.
]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 11th 2010 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Or more importantly, why would the competitors want to give microsoft a backdoor into THEIR platforms? The deal with nokia was obvious -- Nokia are seriously struggling in the smartphone biz, and they don't have the resources to product office applications. Do you think Apple would approve Zune Pass or a Microsoft made Office suite for iOS? I think not. They have competing services.

ActiveSync and Bing are different -- bing is just a search engine with other location services...Apple doesn't have anything like that, so there's no competition. Android OEMs have the freedom to use bing, because Google isn't that strict when it comes to cans and can'ts.

ActiveSync is the number one push email protocol, and it has been for quite some time, next to blackberry. I would say that Apple, Google, Nokia, etc were the initiators of the deal to provide sync functionality on their OS's...not MS saying "hey, wanna use our push system? we'll give you a really good price!"

I think microsoft needs to concentrate on their own platform first before considering other core applications (like office) to be ported to other OSs.]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/The same reason people want Microsoft Office for Mac. The first question people ask when when they buying a Mac computer: "Is there Office for Mac?"]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/If you want Xbox Live on the iPhone, might as well ask for Final Cut Pro for Windows and see if that happen]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
Basically when Apple does it it is called a 'walled garden' and now you want MS to do the same? What am I missing here?]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
iWork for iOS is in v.1 so I am sure such issues will be worked out. But it's still good enough for many now and I just don't see 3+ million giving up their iPads just for Office on a competing device.

There are good alternative to Zune subscription for the iPhone in case you didn't know like Rhapsody, Spotify (coming soon to US).

XBox Live on WP7 is a proof of concept at this point. Apple will be pushing their own Game Center. ]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/What's so brilliant abbot Zune pass? When I want to listen music I either find a free mp3 (there is a lot of it on the net) or just go to Amazon and buy it there for 99 cents per song. Now this song stays in my library and is copied to my phone whenever I want to. No need in online services like Zune pass.]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
Yeah. You got to say that Microsoft seems to have alot of pull in this sector, if they do manage to get everything right. But still, the competition is very tough. If Nintendo drop a SIM into their 3DS, bam, game changed again. ]]>Jul 11th 2010 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/To me, One Note is an example of disaster. It's so counter-intuitive, I never could find anything in it and tried to use it as little as possible. Evernote is ten times simpler to use. Office 2007 with its ribbon is another bad example. I suspect they use similar ribbon in Office 2010? It's so much more difficult to find necessary function on a ribbon then on a regular top menu!]]>Jul 11th 2010 11:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Obviously, Sun failed to deliver a message to mass-market that there is a free Open Office suite on which they can do everything they could in MS Office.]]>Jul 11th 2010 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/It is nice. I've deleted the google app ever since I downloaded it. ]]>Jul 11th 2010 11:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
Hey Gartenberg!

Kin.]]>Jul 11th 2010 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 12th 2010 12:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 12th 2010 12:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
You can buy individual songs songs (DRM-free MP3s) from Zune too. Most of them are higher bitrates than AmazonMP3 as well. The Zune Pass is an added (optional) benefit. If you have it you get 10 free songs that you can keep forever even if you cancel your pass. Essentially you're pay less than $5 for access to most of the Zune Marketplaces music content which you can also stream via web browser on any computer that has an internet connection. As well as stream directly to the devices over Wifi and soon over 3G on Windows Phone 7 devices.]]>Jul 12th 2010 12:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/We sold our souls to itunes? GTFOO!
Since there are more pcs sold(windows based) than Macs then I can safely say you pc fanboys have more souls sold than the Mac folk. Get your damn game right.
And itunes is nothing more than a way to get the same music from the same damn record labels.
What! Does Jay Z sound better if you get it from Amazon rather than itunes?
Please!]]>Jul 12th 2010 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 12th 2010 1:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 12th 2010 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/No, we* just want something good and worth the $$$ spent. Period.
Who it comes from we just don't care. If Microsoft cares to stay "in the game that matters" they will have to produce something good for us*.

* - mobile users who will not move to WinPho7]]>Jul 12th 2010 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
How about we all see a device running a release version of WinPho7 before we prejudge and declare that we absolutely won't be getting it? There is huge potential for an interoperative home and phone with voice and facial/body recognition between MSs products. I don't have vast amounts of confidence that they'll tie them all up properly, but I also don't see counting them out yet. More people have PCs at home because they like good games as well as a variety of apps, and if their phones will sync, their profiles will go with them wherever they go and their home systems will recognise them personally - well, we'll be one step closer to taking away that ever-niggling irritation at trying to get our devices to all work together without Google being involved.]]>Jul 12th 2010 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/I think that I am the only person in the world that likes office 2007 more than previous versions.
I don't really like One note but the excel interface really works for me. Everybody else just points and laughs when I say that though.
havn't played with 2010 as yet.]]>Jul 12th 2010 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Sure, but Apple doesn't make a competing office software for OS X do they? They do on iOS.]]>Jul 12th 2010 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
If we take a look at Office for iPhone for a moment, does anybody think that one would buy a Windows Phone 7 for Office if what he really want is an iPhone (you could apply that to an Android phone also but i use an iPhone so...), I know I wouldn't. What anybody would do is buy DocumentsToGo for the iPhone and forget that Windows Phone 7 ever existed. On the other hand, I love Office and I would surely choose Mobile Office over DocumentsToGo or even iWork for that matter if it was available for the iPhone. Unfortunately it's not, do I plan on buying a Windows Phone 7, nope. You could argue that i'm an iPhone fanboy, and you might be right but any of you probably also have a preference regarding which phone you want to use and I pretty sure that an App wouldn't have someone change from an Android phone to the iPhone.

This also applies to the Mac and PC... I'm pretty sure Windows Phone 7 isn't a big enough incentive to have someone buy a PC to replace his Mac just because he wants to be able to sync his phone. That's probably one of the reason why Microsoft released Office for Mac.

Anyways, interesting article... Made sense for me!]]>Jul 12th 2010 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
The Bing search for images is pretty damn awesome and seems more relevant versus what I'm getting in Google. Definitely will try it out more.]]>Jul 12th 2010 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 12th 2010 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/
If I have Apple hardware because it's cool and I run only cross platform software on it, then you can get me to switch by giving me cooler hardware (It'll still have the software I want). MS has a number of hardware partners who would jump at this opportunity: HP or Sony, for instance.]]>Jul 12th 2010 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/entelligence-time-for-microsoft-to-once-again-embrace-and-exten/Jul 12th 2010 3:38PM