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Are you stupid or something? They are telling you what happens in a variety of situations. They're not saying everybody lives in an area with good reception. Seriously, did you read the article at all?

"Covering for Apple"... Jesus, I think commenters are actually getting dumber.]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
I agree with you about commenter are getting dumber and dumber. Just like you. You can read but you can't understand. There's definitely cover up about this whole damn thing, and if you can't understand that, I wouldn't be surprise.

Here's a hint: If don't like the comments of the commenters, then stop reading them. Get a job or go play outside. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
Let me summarize the entire year: " iPhone iPhone iPhone iPhone iPhone iTunes iads iapps iPod iPad iMac ipod iPhone ipeople iworld icar itable iBook isalad ibrunch"


Etc.]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/


*shrug*]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/I don't think it's Engadget flogging the proverbial dead-horse so much as not being thorough in their investigation. The consumer report was at least showing that it was real, it's just it wasn't translated into what users will notice. From the various reports from all the different Engadget users, there seems to be a strong correlation depending upon the signal reception (type of phone aside). If it was a marginal area then knocking a few dB off the aerial will cause it to drop the line but if the reception was strong already then even dropping quite a lot of dB will result in no *user* difference because there is still enough signal for the line to stay.
For a better demonstration as to where the fault lies, you need two phones: one that has demonstrated the problem (say Nilay's) and one that is so awesome that it will never miss a beat (perhaps Joshua's). Then take them to the same place (as in within feet of each other) and try the same, with the same person (moisture/softness of skin can also make a big difference in conductivity to the aerial).]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
The inconsistent results are most likely caused by different levels of skin conductivity and different signal strength.

The fact is, every iPhone loses about -20 db every time the gap is bridged. The fact that Apple denies this makes it worse.

But if you're sitting on top of a cell tower (I'm exaggerating here) then you're not going to notice this.

Again: your PERSONAL mileage may vary, but there IS a problem, it is systemic to the design of the device, and denying this hardware flaw won't do anything to help the matter. It will make you look biased and faithful to Apple. That goes the same for claiming that it will be fixed with a software update. (HighestRanked2)]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
I think most people forget that cell phones are also a lifeline if you are in an emergency. Lets say you cut your right hand and need to call 911 with your left. Are you going to bleed to death because you can't use the iPhone with the left hand? ]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/That's what she said.]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
The whole point is that Apple absolutely needs to provide a free band for every owner, not charge them $29 for a 10 cent piece of rubber.]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Wow, just wow. Get a brain (and a life).
And to all the others complaining; people complained because engadget didn't do a more thourough investigation; now they have.

This is why we can't have nice things. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
this is a VERY important point. i use a "help me, i've fallen and can't get up" personal alarm system in my home which require a land line but i can have a medical emergency anywhere and so a cellphone which is suseptible to dropped calls is simply not an option for me, or many other handicapped or ill persons. too bad since Apple was a leader in making computers accessible for people like me.]]>Jul 13th 2010 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Do you think it has anything to do with skin oils? Maybe humidity?]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
I completely agree. Default signal strength, personal skin type, weather, humidity, all could easily affect the unit.

This has been proven using a bit of metal to bridge the gap. There are YouTube videos of this.

The plural of anecdote is not data. The same proverb holds true for Engadget editors/ writers.]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
i thought all these posts by engadget on the issue is because theyre in denial.]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/"I found a huge design flaw in my new iPhone. People get angry when I talk on it during a funeral." - Conan O'brien.

You guys are missing the point of the article! We have come to an agreement that we lose about 20db when doing the death grip but most people who are affected are new yorkers on AT&T's crappy network!
Most people get almost full bars when they are in a big city and they don't have iPhone overflow which causes network stress.
BUT the internet is a special place where if 2% of the product users are having a problem then 20% of the internet users create 80% of the internet's buzz and comments regarding the device.]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
Wow this reception thing is really snowballing. I think Apple should officially make a statement about what they'll do.]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Engadget is full of crap
Blaming ATT is a escapegoat. IPhone 4s all over the world have this problem. It has nothing to do with ATT. If the phone displayed the signal correctly people would not expect everything to be peaches and cream. Apple ducked up. The phone is sexy as hell but has a design flaw that needs to be fixed. Add some insulation an be done. ATTs network is fine.
a blackberry bold next to a iPhone will show you this. every iPhone model has had problems with signal but none of the blackberries do hell no one has complained of signal issues with their android phones either. Apple is new to the cell phone industry and do not have experience with cellar radios. also they wanted to prove that they do everything better so they decided not to use proven methods. which is also a reason Nokia is suing them. It is impossible to make a cell phone with out paying either Motorola or Nokia due to them pioneering the current standards]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
this article allows us to see which writer is a blind fanboy that denies such a glaring issue exists...

never again will I believe anything joshua and laura say.]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich!!]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
This is probably what Apple did for field testing. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/It's a tech blog. Get over it, no one says you have to visit this page. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
Holy crap, what am I doing telling all of you? This idea is now copyrighted (c). Am I rich yet?]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/And I've posted close to 2000 times in the past three years. What's ur point. Posting a lot is fine. Along as you do not post 10 times in every article]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
So quoting a bunch of reputable (and some less than) people makes Engadget blame AT&T?]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/"The fact is, every iPhone loses about -20 db every time the gap is bridged." ... has already been disproven. The number comes from the CR test, but two different signal/antenna engineers have stated that their test could not possibly determine this.

So we don't even know that!

Personally I just wish someone with half a brain would do definitive, exhaustive tests on this. Most of the problem is that 80% of what you hear about the problem is total BS. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/I'm a real iPhone 4 owner, with real drop calls and data. Not as much to make a big impact, but I admit there's a problem. But it is Apple not admitting to its design flaw that makes me want to return the phone. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 6:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
Apple needs to step up, admit their screw up, and fix people's phones or return their money. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
hahaha!!

So is Engadget got to re-review the phone. It is an iPhone? And the phone part is iffy.]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 7:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
"great post, but for the record this part:"

Thanks. I appreciate being corrected/ discussing areas of interest.

"The fact is, every iPhone loses about -20 db every time the gap is bridged." ... has already been disproven. The number comes from the CR test, but two different signal/antenna engineers have stated that their test could not possibly determine this. "

I'm interested in this. I haven't heard about this. I assumed that when CR did their report/ tests they did it inside of a farraday cage with a signal broadcaster, bridged the gap, and then measured the difference in db. Could you link to those signal engineers?

"Personally I just wish someone with half a brain would do definitive, exhaustive tests on this. Most of the problem is that 80% of what you hear about the problem is total BS."

Wait. I'm confused. Which parts are BS? A professor in signal design predicted issues with the exposed antenna. Many tests have been done using the iPhone's internal db measurement. Which ones are inaccurate?

And due to the fact that I was on my phone before (my puny HTC Hero. Slow, but that's what I expected from an entry-level phone), I will now post the video showing tests done with metal bridging the gap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvH-i7rKPJc]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/redassag/th_other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif
Just for you :-)]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/Jul 13th 2010 7:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
Couldn't have said it better myself. How you made it more than 5 minutes w/o the mob mentality down ranking hammer I don't know. ]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/
Exactly, I think that we forget that most people that actually take the time to go online and comment on articles, and blog represent such a small sample size. But that small sample size makes such a huge buzz that, its become the only voice on the issue.

I'm not denying that the phone may have issues w/the antenna but not to the point of not being able to use the phone. I'm not trying to do the whole "my friends and people I know deal." However, I've yet, to come across anyone that has an iPhone 4 that has a problem to the degree that its blown up to online.]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/What we are watching IS the field testing. Even if you love Apple, it should be clear by now that you need to resist the impulse to pounce on launch day, and wait for the second batch. The folks who stand in line are beta testers.]]>Jul 13th 2010 7:52PM