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Samsung (diff phone from what he mentioned, but still) reception problems-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k

Who's the tool?]]>Jul 16th 2010 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Holy shit, engadget totally censors it. Expected, they worship apple.]]>Jul 16th 2010 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Im not going to bash apple right now although I totally agree this whole debacle is pathetic and I have lost all respect for that company even though I didn't really have much respect for them to begin with.

This is the perfect time for hp and palm to swoop in with a killer ad campaign and ride the iphone 4's ass all the way to the top :-) especially if they decide to make it the next device 4g, they could even put the ability to hold the phone anyway you want as a feature on the advertisement site hahahha. GO WEBOS!!!!
]]>Jul 16th 2010 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Its like you have to choose a great piece of technology with a shitty antenna and reception or an alright piece of technology that can hold calls. I guess my rollover is about to kick in big time because I damn sure cant hold on to calls for more than 20 minutes at a time.

AT&T should change their slogan to "More Bars in More Places (except on iPhones)" Fuck it, Apple tried to throw them under the boat.]]>Jul 18th 2010 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/r u sure? dont just say it, do it. u have waited for the conference, they dont even apologize. well, it's hard to, coz its like this or labeled big liar from now on.......
well, we know ur liar though.. the call drops.]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/no do not return it
ebay that sucker for 800+ and you have enough to buy 2 capacitive and still have $100 left over]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Actually, it is a better phone than the 3GS. Think about it this way. the 3GS form factor was already established at the time of release. There were a plethora of cases that already fit it, and people used those cases from their old phones or bought new ones from a variety of choices immediately. These cases mitigated the antenna problem that the 3GS LIKE EVERY OTHER PHONE has. The 4GS had no case to mitigate reception problems save the Apple made 'Bumper'. So there are 1% more dropped calls from unshielded iPhone 4s than there are from mostly shielded iPhone 3GSs. If both models lacked protection to the same degree, the 4 would be ahead.]]>Jul 16th 2010 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
I guess they deserve some kudos for honesty but for them to get all those anechoic chambers with PhD guys, spend a load of money redesigning and marketing a phone with an antenna on the outside and then confess that it actually drops 1% more calls than the last model is quite poor engineering.

I really don't buy the excuse that the 3GS drop rate is lower due to people using cases. I never see iPhones in cases.

Also, the way they word it seems like they are trying to confuse people as to whether it's better or worse. They could just have said the iPhone 4 drops 1% more calls than the 3GS.]]>Jul 16th 2010 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/funny how they phrased it, too. what is the dropped call rate for the 3GS? 1%, maybe? i'm just guessing. but bear with me.

so "iPhone 4 drops less than one additional call per 100 than the 3GS." let's just round it to 1... so the iphone 4 drops 2% of all calls.

in other words, twice as many.

now, the actual number could be totally different. if the 3GS only drops 0.1% of calls... that's a 10x increase. or if it dropped 10% of all calls, it's a 10% increase.

good old marketing playing with numbers.]]>Jul 16th 2010 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/I still have my 3G and never a signle dropped call. I'm certainly not going to get an iPhone 4 unless they have the fixed version for us Canadians. This is a shame!]]>Jul 16th 2010 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/excellent points and as you say the figures are meaningless; they should have said "only 1% more dropped calls" and it wouldn't have revealed ATT's secret call success rate.]]>Jul 16th 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 6:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 9:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 17th 2010 5:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 17th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Thanks, we already got it when Jobs told us the same stupid theory. And by the way, such theory is bullshit.

With the iPhone 4, the problem is that since the antennae are at the outside, you could easily bridge the gap between both of them, grounding them. That's why a Bumper pretty much solves it, it prevents the skin from touching the gap.
Now that has nothing to do with whatever issues the 3GS had, since the antennae on the 3GS are already INSIDE the case and there's no way you could solve that with a bumper or another case. So no, the results on the 3GS are not better because people already had cases for it.]]>Jul 17th 2010 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
1) No where did Steve say that it was tested against a 3GS with a protective case. Don't make that assumption.

2) Without a point of reference, less than one more call dropped doesn't mean anything. It could be, the 3GS dropped a million calls a day and now the iPhone 4 ONLY drops a million and one calls. See how that works. Without a value of the point of reference, making a comparison is pointless. And in reality what they are saying, at the least, is that they didn't make any progress in improving the antenna reception. It actually got a fraction of a percentage worst.]]>Jul 17th 2010 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
But then again I wasn't really paying attention to the BS. ]]>Jul 18th 2010 1:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/i agree...how does Jobs get away with saying that the iphone4 antenna is vastly superior to the 3gs when its been documented that you drop more calls than an already troubled device. Dropped calls has been the iphone 3g's biggest problem. How do you make that worse and then call it better]]>Jul 19th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
I saw some estimated numbers that 3GS drops about 5 calls out of 100 so the increase would be about 20%.]]>Jul 19th 2010 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/haha yeah at first i thought that they were only dropping 1 call vs 100 3gs calls]]>Jul 30th 2010 4:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/21/att_defensively_publishes_private_dropped_call_data.html

AT&T's figures are 1.44% dropped calls. So the iPhone drops in the region of 2.44% of calls.

This is up to a 69% increase in dropped calls]]>Jul 30th 2010 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/a drop call is a drop...
dont fool me with comparison to 3GS again,]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
From EVERY writer!]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/They did the same thing for the Droid x. Now stfu. Thanks. ]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Keep drinking the KoolAid, white boy.]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
How about we get a childish complaint about every one from you since your feelings matter so much? What would be nice is to see some intelligent discussion in one of these threads that doesn't get crapped on by some angsty pre-teen.]]>Jul 16th 2010 7:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Nice racist comment.
Except I'm black.
Fail. ]]>Jul 18th 2010 4:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Hey don't add comments like that.. engadget censors it.. ]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
AND THUS THE PROPHET'S WORDS WERE FULFILLED.

ALL HAIL TECHANDONLYTECH!!!]]>Jul 16th 2010 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Sigh.
This is why we can't have nice things. ]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
He pisssed me off when he said the blackberry the eris and the samsung have signal problems

what a tool]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Isn't 1 call dropped out of 100 a lot? I've certainly never had a single dropped call in London for example.]]>Jul 16th 2010 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Agree 1% difference doesn't sound that bad, at first.

But remember Steve told us the antenna was so meticulously engineered and that it would dramatically improve reception problems. We should have been seeing 10% or more fewer dropped calls.

I reality the percentage of dropped calls is at least 10% higher than what we were promised.]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
After reading @arda below I have to admit I was tricked as well.

If the iPhone was dropping 1 in a thousand calls before then dropping 1 more call out of a hundred would be a 1000% increase. The 1 in a hundred number really is meaningless.]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/
Seriously, Engadget, this is PATHETIC. Make a post with EVERYTHING announced in the conference; 6 posts about minor things told at the same event at the same time is plain stupid.]]>Jul 16th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-iphone-4-drops-less-than-one-additional-call-per-100-tha/Jul 16th 2010 1:40PM