http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/ Engadget Comments for HTC fires back at Apple antenna demo with percentage pew-pew http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Jul 17th 2010 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
ahh.. i'm pretty sure they did ;-)]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/OH yeah Engadget did just stick up for Apple with the last sentence and put down another company]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
Right on, HTC. Kill that FUD.

Seriously, Apple? WTF? Can't defend your actions, so you sling some mud?]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Its the true though isn't it? ]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
It's called appropriation. It means that people associate with the tools they use to the extent that they become an extension of their own identity. This entails a favourable view of the tools used and a bias against the ones that aren't.

It's a fairly well understood issue in social constructivist psychology and pretty much explains fanboys.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/OH YES THEY DID!]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Engadget is just pointing out the obvious:
Percentage says absolutely nothing about average consumer satisfaction if you don't know the absolute number of users...

]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
Which is why I rage against people who say "X is the best ever and nobody will ever beat it!" or "X users are stupid!".

Also, I'm certain cognitive dissonance fits in there somewhere. Surely the amount of appropriation goes up relative to the amount spent on the device. The more you spend, the more you defend it?]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Put it into perspective. The population of iPhone 4 owners is greater than that of Eris owners therefore there are more owners present to make complaints. Free bumpers yes, but I don't think the rest of "this" was necessary.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
You do realize that HTC doesn't deal with the Technical support for the phones they sell on VzW's network? VzW handles all of the Technical support issues of the phones on their network so..... what HTC is saying is disingenuous. ]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Why defend? I don't think its got so bad we have to justify our purchases to random's on the internet to make our selves feel better. Surely not.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/i never said it was not the truth just that it wasn't necessary]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
I agree. There was an easy way to phrase this that was both factual and non-enraging.

Something like "However, the sample size is completely different; with the iPhone spread out to a larger number of people, there's going to be more complaints regarding signal issues."

Non-flaming tone, Engadget. Learn to utilize it.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
2. 0.55% of 3 million is 15,000.

15,000 people CALLED 1 tech support , applecare, over a period of 2 weeks about the horrible design. and that doesnt count how many called at&t...
nor does it count how many people returned the phone at an apple store,
nor does it count how many people returned it at an at&t store.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/This was by far the worst example for bad reception by apple. The antenna on this phone is on the very top, and the only reason it went down was because he's reaching his finger to the top. Just sad apple.... My tmo vibrant does somewhat the same thing, just not as bad. If anything comes out from all of this, it's that the companies work to have less of interference the next time.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
I think it was a pretty fair point to make. Only an Anti-Apple 'commenter' would even care to bring it up really.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
That's exactly my point. You won't see me defending my purchase of an HTC Hero on the intarwebs. I like it, that's all that matters. Sure, it's an underpowered, underperforming phone, but it was cheap. And it's a lot of fun!

Never have I said "Apple products are 4 idiots! ROFLROFLROFL! Heros rule!" I defend Android because I agree with the general theories behind it. I don't lambaste iPhone users for being iPhone users. I criticize SOME users of being overprotective and defensive fanboys.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/you must have an anti flamebait comment filter
People have been defending their purchases since ViolaWWW was released]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Accualy, these are precentages reflect the number of reception issues of the total number of complaints. So out of 10,000 of all complaint to apple for the ip4, 54 have reception issues, and out of 10,000 of all complaints to htc for the eris, less then 2 have reception issues.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
nor does it count how many people informed them self online/TV/Newspaper/etc. and already knew what the deal was. With all that publicity it was kinda hard to miss.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
You mean like how I identify myself as a male since I associate closely with my tool, aka penis, and quickly come to its defense if anyone mocks its size?

Makes sense. ]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
P.S. iOS is getting really lame ]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/SO if someone points out Fox News or Msnbc bias they are anti that stance? IF bloggers want to be considers jounalist they have to accept critisism and try to be impartial]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
But that's not what gets them the most money! That's like Engadget suddenly saying "No! We don't want your money! Please, stop giving it to us!"

Impartiality isn't what sells. Emotion, flame-bait, name-calling, yelling: those are the things that sell.

Sad, but true.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/if you have to defend your penis size than we are not the ones that are uncombable with it :D besides a penis does not make you male a XY chromosome does a penis is just a indicator that you might have that. A XX chromosome person could have a penis put on but does that make them male nope.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Nokia 1100 (200 million)
Nokia 3210 (150 million)
Motorola RAZR V3 (130 million)
Nokia 3310 (126 million)
Nokia 2100 (20 million)
LG Chocolate (15 million)
BlackBerry Pearl (10 million)
LG Cookie (KP500) (10 million)
Nokia 5310 XpressMusic (10 million)
Samsung SGH-D500 (10 million)
Samsung E250 (10 million)
Samsung SGH-E700 (10 million)
Samsung J700 (10 million)
Samsung S5230 (10 million)
Samsung T-100 (10 million)
LG Shine (8 million)
Nokia 5800 XpressMusic (Over 8 million)
Nokia N95 (7 million)
Samsung F480 TouchWiz (5 million)
Original Apple iPhone (6.1 million]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Jul 17th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
I bought the "I Am Rich" app for my 3GS and, dagnabbit, it's the one app I can't live without!]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/"most effected" englierish 101]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
do you guys know how percentages work?

Also, remember this, the iPhone's reception issues were widely reported, blogs, newspapers, magazines, etc, not everyone that had problems cared to call in support. For the Droid, I would imagine a larger percent would call in if the issue was so great since I, for one, have never heard of it]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
That last sentence is pretty low. This kind of stuff is what eventually drives readers away. Please refrain from such juvenile remarks as much as possible.]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/"For the Droid, I would imagine a larger percent would call in if the issue was so great"
Why?]]>Jul 17th 2010 8:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Jul 17th 2010 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://bit.ly/azobWj]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Jul 17th 2010 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/What, the truth hurts....then don't take up space, by commenting to facts.]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
The Droid Eris is NOT a budget phone. It was $100 after $100 mail-in-rebate. First, that makes it $200 out the door pre-rebate. It also required a data plan. That is HARDLY a budget phone. Budget phones are $50 or less with no strings attached.

The iPhone 3G was available at the $100 price point w/o rebate, so if the Droid Eris was a "budget" phone, so was the 3G at the time.

Second, the support calls for iPhones at AT&T are ALL routed to AppleCare. It doesn't matter whether you called Apple or AT&T, if you have an iPhone tech support question, you get routed to AppleCare.

Third, Apple already gave the return rates. 1.6% -- compared to 6% for the 3GS.

Get informed!]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/because even the more savvy users wouldn't have known that it's a common problem and not their own hardware since it hasn't been so widely exposed]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
My video. From weeks ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh6pUNY_rv8]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
Statistics, man. Learn them.

Both samples were large enough for statistical analysis to be equal. Therefore, the percentages are EVERYTHING.]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
Apple didn't really think they are the only ones who can put a spin on numbers, did they? How does it feel to get the taste of their own medicine I wonder? 34 times bitter than the most bitter medicine I bet?]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
I just held my evo in every position and my bars never dropped. Stayed full.

Screw you Steve]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Jul 17th 2010 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Jul 17th 2010 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
WHY DID YOU LEAVE THEM OUT?]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Jul 17th 2010 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
What facts? Percentages are percentages, and the sales don't need to be as big as the iPhone's in order to compare them via percentages. They are both statistically valid. Deal with it.]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/Well, Apple showed Engadget as one of the sources that ranked iPhone no. 1. It took years for Engadget to beat Gizmodo to become Apple's no. 1 (Gizmodo was said to be the best blog once by Apple, but of its own folly, Gizmodo lost that title). Engadget is not gonna let go of this opportunity. Apple users ACTUALLY follow a lot of blogs, religiously, as opposed to the users of other gadgets (else the ratio here would be even more skewed). So, I can't blame Engadget for sticking up to Apple for its revenues. I would do the same.

By the way, 'effect' is an abstract noun! 'Affect' is the verb.]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/htc-fires-back-at-apple-antenna-demo-with-percentage-pew-pew/
I think they have solid grounds for a defamation lawsuit against Apple. You don't just gather reporters from all over the country, with national news networks having their cameras on you, then LIE about your flawed eyephone's antenna problem being the same on every other phone, complete with videos and other company names and products.]]>Jul 17th 2010 9:57PM