http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
companies discuss all kinds of alternatives all the time for everything.

OMG BREAKING NEWS, COMPANY HAD A MEETING TO DISCUSS POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES.]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Truly, what an enlightening post Elton.]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/well at least he didn't say "shit just got real". i guess.]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Verizon iPhone?
Windows Phone 7?
Galaxy S?
LTE?
Yeah, keep on dreaming.]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Considering the sheer amount of idiots right here in Engadget's comment section who actually believe that Apple WANTS to be stuck exclusively with AT&T, this is actually very informative... for them. Those of us who aren't complete idiots knew this already.]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Pics or it didn't happen]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 8:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 8:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Different day]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
The stupidest thing on Apples part was the "exclusive" deal. No such thing up North anymore but even though we have 5 carriers with the iPhone, they all have the same god damn price which is absolute bull shit, IMHO.]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
haha owned. whine more about it. wah wah i cant afford a phone with a fruit on it]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/So basically no way in hell an Iphone for Big Red in the near to distant future. Got it, ATT is better in my area anyway.]]>Jul 19th 2010 11:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
This Engadget post is completely useless. We have to stop opening these ones so they stop posting this nonsense. How many comments are already up? This is what these bastards want, people reading their useless shit.

I remember when Engadget was about gadgets and not only high-end smartphones/Apple.Good times.]]>Jul 20th 2010 1:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 20th 2010 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 20th 2010 6:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 20th 2010 6:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
while the blog post isn't that in-depth on the article, I actually read the source article from Wired, and it's very enlightening. It describes the shift in power from at&t controlling their network towards apple and device & OS manufacturers. It describes how Google and Palm were able to demand more from their devices because of the precedent of strong-arming the carriers that apple set, while mainly talking about iPhone & AT&T bickering. Also talks about how often Steve Jobs considered going to Verizon.

The source article also provides some excellent pompous apple quotes like...

When an AT&T representative suggested to one of Jobs’ deputies that the Apple CEO wear a suit to meet with AT&T’s board of directors, he was told, “We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.”

“We consistently said ‘No, we are not going to mess up the consumer experience on the iPhone to make your network tenable.’ They’d always end up saying, ‘We’re going to have to escalate this to senior AT&T executives,’ and we always said, ‘Fine, we’ll escalate it to Steve and see who wins.’
]]>Jul 20th 2010 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 20th 2010 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Leave this place.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/I've been wondering that as well. Maybe somebody could ACTUALLY clear this up...]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
It wouldn't require a full product redesign of the consumer's experiance, but it's a pretty different SoC and some new programming and circuitry would be involved.]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
I'm not doubting that it would take some work to make a Verizon version of the iPhone... but every other cell phone manufacturer has figured it out already.

If Motorola can simultaneously make the original CDMA Droid and the GSM Milestone... Apple should certainly be able to.

Maybe Apple hasn't bothered with making a CDMA iPhone because they couldn't sell it due to AT&T's exclusivity agreement. But that hasn't stopped Motorola, HTC, LG, Samsung and others from providing phones for Verizon's network.]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Yeah, if Samsung can crank out 4 variants of the Galaxy S across GSM and CDMA networks here, why is this stymieing Apple's vaunted engineers?

Remember the RAZR? That thing was *EVERYWHERE*.

Just more bullshit.]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
I have a really hard time believing that Apple doesn't have a CDMA phone already drawn up, just like the gadget sites all reported not too long ago.

if i were to believe what they said about Apple wanting to switch to Verizon shortly after creating the first iPhone then couldn't they have easily kept the design team and engineers around to fit in a CDMA chip, its not like they didn't have the ability to do that...yes apple would have to do some testing of the phone on Verizons network but they would totally be able to roll out a Verizon iPhone as soon as they are able to cut a deal with Verizon

]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
The chip handles pretty much all of the radio stuff nowdays. However there are significant differences in the CDMA/GSM systems that require some completely different handling in layers all they way through the phone. And this isn't just limited to the API exposed by the baseband processor.

This is apparent especially in the fact that CDMA can't do simultaneous data and voice.


Another problem is that when I was working on it all the CDMA phones we worked on used a single BP/AP SoC from qualcomm which is completely different architecturally from how GSM phones (and the iPhone) are configured.
This problem may have evaporated now, but this is part of the reason why CDMA phones always had different processor specs from GSM. It is also why they used BREW for apps rather than Java.]]>Jul 19th 2010 10:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Some Blackberrys don't even have a track ball and can't run software that requires one. Then there is the Blackberry Storm. It doesn't do so well on GSM, does it? I heard there were problems with the GSM version.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/I agree. The razr was thin as hell yet they could make it for all carriers.]]>Jul 20th 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 20th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 20th 2010 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Its the days of our lives]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/
Like Sands though the Series of Tubes... ]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/And VZ? Wow, they were great in the 90s. Now their speed and overall technology just sucks big time.

Let's hope they get LTE out into the market quickly - it's about time.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/Jul 19th 2010 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/apple-discussed-verizon-switch-at-least-half-a-dozen-times-an/you wish. Verizon has the coverage but not the ability. I keep hearing you and other people saying the same thing and you're wrong. Also, you think verizon will give up its v cast business for itunes? Huh!]]>Jul 19th 2010 8:16PM