http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/ Engadget Comments for Nokia Siemens picks up Motorola network infrastructure division for $1.2 billion http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/I seriously do NOT understand this deal.
1.2B for a division that is not doing so great and it is already suffering lay-offs does not seem like the most sound decision for me.

First, (as I mentioned) NSN isnt doing much better despite being better positioned and having better products than Motorola.
Second, Motorola is doing even worse. Let the yanks fail completely (since they are already half way through) and buy that for a fraction of the price. Let them suffer more job losses in favor of a better deal.
Third, no patents included? Are you serious?

If they are not available anymore(and they would since the competing companies have already made their shopping), 1.2B seems enough money to start a hell out of a business, build facilities and build up relationships. So this idea that they want "the contacts" is not enough for me. Apart from Japan, USofA is not even shelling out loads of money for wireless technology.

Truth is, Nokia is known to overpay for companies, NAVTEQ anyone?. IMO they would be better off without.

And yes, OF COURSE, there will be lay-offs.
The only good news are for the Americans that sold that clunker to us, stupid europeans.]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
I think the question I have is, who are you? Why does your opinion matter? Do you have insider info on all the details of this purchase and are qualified to assess the impact, more than Nokia-Siemens' entire team? I don't understand how commenters like to sum up everything with literally zero knowledge apart from some media press release.]]>Jul 19th 2010 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Lets remember that when Nokia made it's loses q3 last year for a first time in 12 years mobile phones still made 500 million in profits for Nokia in that quarter, but it was Nokia Siemens Networks and a bit of Navteq that made Nokia lose money.

NSN is eating Nokias profits from it's core business. That said at least NSN are doing something rather than just standingstill. ]]>Jul 19th 2010 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
My opinion seems to matter for you, since you lost your most valuable time responding to me.

And no I dont have an insider of the deal, do you? If you do, please clarify the things I said. I have no problem in actually retracting wrong opinions. But you seem to be one of those lifeless forms that vague around the internet waiting for the moment to ask the same stupid questions you asked me. Have you done this today to that lol-cat youtube video already? Hurry up...

Zero knowledge? Again, enlighten us. Please. I might not be a big boss of Nokia or NSN but I know a thing or two hows the business going there... And it is not looking good. But since you seem to be above me in hierarchy and, oh, so full of information explain it to me.

Now be a man and stand for all the crap you said and next time you comment somewhere add some value to the conversation please.

Tell us your opinion. Different than you I actually want people to talk about this.]]>Jul 19th 2010 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Its a good deal they got a good price, they pay about 0.5 times the annual revenue, and there is hardly any overlap in the customer base except the really large ones. NSN itself is doing much better lately and they are one of the three large players in telecom so they have the scale that Moto and others lack.

It would strengthen their product portfolio when they can integrate two more standards in their flexi bts (CDMA and WiMAX).

1.2B ain't that much for a profitable business, with good customer relation and a large footprint in North America and Asia. And for patents some CDMA network patents seems to be included and Cross- licensing deal as well.

NAVTEQ is a completely different story, they had to outbid other large techfirms that time, and overtime it will probably pay-of to have the largest map maker in-house. NSN on the other hand ain't known to overpay, like when they bid for Nortel's CDMA and LTE assets they did not rise their bid and Ericsson walked away with it for $1.13B.


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I guess the internet is not full of braindead people like almo after all...]]>Jul 19th 2010 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
I'm not sure about this either. NSN are the red headed step child of the Nokia family if you ask me.]]>Jul 19th 2010 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/I couldnt have put in better terms :D
Bravissimo...]]>Jul 19th 2010 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
i.e. layoffs are expected]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Win.]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
Droid Does split Motorola with a 7,500 strong staff of Siemens

(ok so maybe it doesn't make sense but i had to anyway.)
]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/NSN provides Verizon with IMS equipment for their LTE network while Ericsson and Alcatel-Lucent provides radio equipment.

]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/ It's clearly the company's strong showing in both WiMAX and CDMA
> that Nokia Siemens is after

How is that clear? Two dying technologies. Forget them. It's the customer base NSN is after, especially in the US and Japan.]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Yes the customer base is the main reason but CDMA will come in handy when those customers selects LTE suppliers and for low-cost broadband in emerging markets. ]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/It would not make sense for Moto to include the patents in this deal, it makes sense to keep them just like Nortel did when they sold their wireless division to Ericsson.

By the way is not Nokia who has bought them, its a joint-venture between Nokia and Siemens. ]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/We are talking about Motorola here. Motorolas patents are not linked to to the network business. They are very much the core like they are for Nokia that gotmore than 60% of all gsm patents.
Same that happened to Ericsson with Nortel. Thought Nortel patents are minor compared to Nokia or Motorola.

Nokia Siemens network become second largest network provider in NA with this one deal. Before they only got 6% of the networks.]]>Jul 19th 2010 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/I'd ask for it in singles, build a pool in the corporate offices, and use what's left to fill the pool. FREE MONEY BATHS FOR ALL EMPLOYEES!]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
its the network division not the handset? read the article b4 posting the next time]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/NO, of course not, these companies are not producing mobile handsets , they provide equipment so that you can make calls :)]]>Jul 19th 2010 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/they didn't buy any patents.]]>Jul 19th 2010 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/Jul 19th 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/
I was earlier. So what. ]]>Jul 19th 2010 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/nokia-siemens-picks-up-motorola-network-infrastructure-division/i tipped a cow yesterday]]>Jul 19th 2010 7:08PM