http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
but but they do it too ! (if you hold it in this extremely awkward way)]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
All apple had to do was leave this alone. Now they're just digging themselves a hole. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Too bad most people don't know about Engadget and after watching the aforementioned video, will go buy an iPhone and accept the issue. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/This is seriously petty on Apple's part.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Quit the finger-pointing, Apple. Own the issue, apologize, offer a solution. DONE. This is more like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Of course they choose an obese person with fat hands to hold the phone and you can tell the guy is holding the phone hard cause he's shaking.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
So, should Apple also apologize for the faults of every phone that this occurs on? Wake up people. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Odd, huh? I've never heard of anyone complaining about it back in 2005.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
they think they can get away with a defective product because their fanboys are of the most delusional on the planet. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/No, Apple should stop pointing fingers "See, Bobby Shmoe and Alice Doe wets the bet the bed at 28 too, mom!" and either fix their issues or shut up.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
I think that Apple is the one who needs to grow up. Slinging mud is the quickest way to gain negative PR.

The issue pops up on other phones if you hold them a weird way, yes. But the effects are not as bad nor are the antennas external. Therefore, Apple's problem is far worse than these phones'.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Do THAT to a baby chicken,,,,,see what happens ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Apple's gonna get into A BIG BIG Trouble for doing this. Even after all the reports from Nokia and RIM!]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
So who is going to fix the issues with the other phones? Why arent there people demanding that Nokia, RIM, Samsung etc...fix this issue? Serious question. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
The bumper prevents bridging of the antenna, not blocking of signal.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
According to physics, microwaves are absorbed by water. This is why your microwave oven works. If you put something dry in the oven, it will not heat up, because there is no water to absorb the energy.

This means that if you cover an antenna with your hand, you will be able to attenuate the signal. ALL PHONES EXPERIENCE THIS.

BUT.... Apple has an additional problem.

The issue with the iPhone is that IN ADDITION to attenuating the signal, you are able to de-tune the antenna. By coupling the two antennas with your finger, you change its radiating properties, and make it lose something like 24dB (99.5%) of its power. So, before you add any actual attenuation from your hand, you're only looking at 0.5% of your power escaping the phone.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
I completely hear you but coming from a user who has trouble activating the death grip feature I seriously have issues with people pulling out the pitchforks demanding a recall.

Must I post again?? Ughh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US0bd6ZNUP0]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
And you know what? I completely agree with you! It all has to do with personal skin galvanic response/conductivity and the normal amount of signal strength a user has.

But just because the problem doesn't manifest for all users, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And Apple doesn't need to sling mud.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 20th 2010 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Apple need to stop this. . .All Nokia has to do is start quoting dropped call data, which is much lower that 1 per 100, which in my opinion is a lot.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Apple is making a point here about the antenna issue being blown out of proportion and others like Nokia taking a jab Remember it was Nokia that ran an ad about holding the phone any way you want...

In many ways this antenna issue is but a continuation of the pot shots that Google, Verizon and Motorola started with the Droid does campaign and then Google followed up with during their developer conference

In this case, Apple is simply calling out the fact that all phones are effected by the exact same issue. Nothing wrong with that.

It would be stupid of Apple to sit back and let this guerrilla campaign against them go on..... ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/when i try this on my droid x, the bars go from 1 to 3...
...and the camera activates]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/How do we know its not connected to a hotspot at home which they are putting layer after layer of tin foil on?]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Just so we're all on the same page... It isn't okay for Apple to say, "OH THIS AND THIS AND THIS PRODUCT HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WE ARE HAVING TALK ABOUT THEM TOO!" nor are their commercials which poke fun at Microsoft and Vista or PCs in general.

But it IS okay for other companies to come out of the woodwork and make attack ads that mock a problem Apple's products are having...

I think Apple should fix the issue, but I also think they are well within their rights to point out other products that have a similar issue. Especially if those products ACTUALLY have a similar issue.]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Ahhhh, you see? Here's the issue with that logic. One is a diversionary tactic meant to spread the blame, and the other is smart marketing.

One is deceitful and misrepresents the problem by pointing out a nearly unrelated problem in other phones, while the other points out a flaw in a competitor's product.]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Add to the fact of how childish an attempt this is, as well. This is also another sly and petty attempt from Apple to detract from their own issues (a phone cover, seriously?). The fact they target a "mini" version of a set that's not even among their current series of phones is also quite interesting. Apple got nowhere to run?]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/I've owned an iphone 3g and a nexus one. I preferred the iphone and was ready get an iphone 4, but I refuse to give another cent to this company. I can deal with a slightly touchy antenna, but I will not support a company thats run by a frikin child!

Grow up! You made a mistake, stop making excuses and take responsibility!]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Of interest: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://blogdoiphone.com/2010/07/inedito-teste-de-recepcao-do-iphone-4-com-as-operadoras-brasileiras/

I'm not saying that Apple doesn't have a problem with the iPhone 4, but part of the problem in the states could be AT&T's map shoddy service (same problems they with the 3G and 3GS launches). ]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Well the point is, Nokia is trying to defend itself on a baseless ground, because I use X6 and E72, and both phones, despite the latter being their most prideful product, seem to share the same problem.

The X6 in particular, sees packet-data drops when the same is done. At least it's not as bad on the E72.

That aside, I don't see what Apple's trying to prove either. You don't justify your mistake by saying that others have done the same too. It's a weak logic for me.]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
I Totally agree with you, Apple is not doing anything wrong by showing people that other cellphones have the same problem. People who think that Apple is digging themselves a deeper hole by doing so are wrong imo because people will start to see that the iPhone 4 is not the only phone that has this problem. I do think though that people are pushing this way to far because this problem is apparently fixable by adding a simple bumper to the iPhone and/or avoid holding it in the so called "death grip". Also @DaHarder they aren't embarrassing themselves by showing people they aren't the only company with a problem. Apple is just being informative by letting everyone know that they messed up and so have other people and they are trying to fix the know problem. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Or just continue to hate because it's the fun thing to do.]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/
Let me help you out here... No.

You obviously neglected and ignored obvious signs that your external antennae would cause issues. You messed up - accept it and apologize... sincerely for once.

Don't be the kid that replies to his mother when in trouble, "But... Johnny did it too!"

That's lame... don't be "That Guy"...

- AdamZ]]>Jul 21st 2010 12:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/apple-shows-nokias-n97-mini-can-be-force-choked-too-video/Jul 21st 2010 12:35AM