http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/ Engadget Comments for China happy with Google's latest tweaks, saga appears at an end http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
They gave in. No respect. They are a business first and thats it.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
How did they give in if they now don't censor search results? They pulled search from .cn. That's not giving in.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/So what would you have done, mr. Engadget commenter?]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/yeah, and now they have search back in .cn genius]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
In the end, a company is just a company. And if you're operating in another country you follow their laws. Period.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
yeah, and you click the .cn search field and it goes to hong kong ]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
That's the way capitalism works. If someone isn't willing to sell their sole, replace them with someone who will.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Sure, the gov't can block anything they want, but google isn't censoring their search results anymore. Period.

And, from day one, google said they wanted to find a way to stay, but said they were quitting censoring. In hong kong you can get uncensored result (IN CHINA, like you say). If the gov't wants to censor the rest of China, in that case, that's where google search, in effect, says f u and left China.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/FUCKIN' MAGNETS]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Whatever dude. i respect google for not censoring and holding China's feet to the fire - if you don't think it's been a black eye for the Chinese government...well, you must be a Chinese government hack trying to belittle google.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 4:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Thanks for reading the post
"Ultimately, even the .hk search results will be subject to China's firewall -- which will render the most sensitive info inaccessible"
Bye [=]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/+1 cause your comment just really stood out and made me grin, compared to all the other serious debates going on in this thread.
lol]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Guys, I'm only defending google here for not censoring. If China censors and the results are shit, you can't blame google. Call out the commies for that. And yes, I read the article and my reading comprehension is fine.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Thats how the Googlers do it.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
What happens is basically China treating Google HK results as foreign as it they enters the border/"Great Firewall" back into China, just like other foreign search results coming in from google.com / .ca / .uk / etc.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/So basically Google is hosted outside of China and is much like any site outside of China. Except all their other services remain and there's still a Google.cn domain that's a big link to Google hong kong. All in all it's just one big absurd thing but I guess somewhat more people will be reminded that they're looking at censored results, but everyone in China already knew that. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Something simple is Google will not do anything really different to what it did when it left China.

If you want to blame Google on this issue, you should blame it several months ago. It is a bit outdated to blame Google today on something that it has done for months.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Google didnt actually give in on the whole censorship thing. Its china that now blocks results *for* google even in HK. The difference here is, china allowed google to not lose face (as we know, thats worth alot in china) by having this little agreement.

The really interesting part of it we will never hear about: its the - most likely - state sponsored espionage attacks on google and others. Who knows, maybe they came to a certain agreement there too... not for public eyes and ears, though.]]>Jul 20th 2010 6:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Stock still sucks monkey balls. Way to piss of the Chinese.

*golf clap]]>Jul 20th 2010 7:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Go back to 4chan kind sir...
]]>Jul 20th 2010 7:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/No more ireegar frower tributes :(]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Culture also matters, following the news Hong Kong asserts its independence much more than Macau does. I'm sure HK's a bit of a headache for the CPG, actually. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Well, the context is a bit different from several months ago because Google acted as if they were defying the Chinese authority, threatening to leave the country and "bypass" censorship. But all this was BS (and PR) because, at the end of the day, everything remained essentially the same.

So the "blame" is about Google's PR stunt.]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Actually, that's not true either. I read a later report on how experts thought it was a hacking attack done by amateurs with no connection to the Chinese government at all. I have a feeling Google just used them as an excuse. For some reason, the media didn't report this as much though.]]>Jul 20th 2010 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
However, its is of course a strategic matter. You cant afford locking yourself out of this potenitally huge market, even if its not where it could be. Not by a long shot...]]>Jul 20th 2010 6:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
they already did shoot themselves in the foot. world's biggest growth market will not have much 谷哥 goin on...]]>Jul 20th 2010 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
1) In order to operate in China (google.cn), Google had been actively censoring search results prior to the aurora hack. This was the status quo.

2) After the aurora hack, Google got pissed at China and said they'd stop censoring search results.

3) China wouldn't let them operate google.cn uncensored so Google began redirecting google.cn to google.hk (HTTP 302?) where they _are_ allowed to return uncensored results. (HK has a different political system with different laws than mainland China).

4) China wouldn't renew their license if Google continued to use the "redirect" so Google replaced the redirect with a link that basically does the same thing but requires a click. Apparently this satisfied China so China basically gave in.

I have a feeling there's a Chinese legal document with an explicit definition and restriction of "redirect" and while the first case (#3 above) matched this definition, the link to google.hk does not and so it's legal.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Sorry but that's how Google hopes people outside of China would perceive this story but it's not the real story.

Do you really think that a link instead of a redirect is what matters to the Chinese government???]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/
Their "don't be evil" mantra ends at the shareholders.]]>Jul 20th 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/I knew this would be the end case from the get-go. Google is just like any other business/corporation; profits and mind-share first.
There was a reason I said "more bullshit" because I knew Google's drama was bull back when this first started, they were just trying to look good to everyone back in the US. There was also reason why I refereed to the Apple post; more bullshit from our two favorite companies here and Engadget. I honestly think if they did not mean it, they should have not tried to BS their way through it. But they are a corporation and that is what they do, I know thats impossible to think otherwise, because the world is built on lies, deceit, and pure bull....but one can dream of a perfect world right??.......................HAH]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 4:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/My question to you is, why are you trying so hard to stick up for Google? They were spitting some bullshit a few months back and now we found out their bigger agenda (not that we didn't already know what would ultimately happen)......but just because (most of us) we knew this to be the end result doesn't mean we have to like it, agree to it, or even accept it. So again I ask, why are you trying so hard to stand up for them? Its like the Engadget staff said in their last podcast...companies should never get the benefit of the doubt no matter how long they have been around.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/nvm, good to see I'm not the only one that feels this way..]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 4:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Yawp did so, "nvm, good to see I'm not the only one that feels this way." (previous post)]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/china-happy-with-googles-latest-tweaks-saga-appears-at-an-end/Jul 20th 2010 3:51AM