http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/ Engadget Comments for Samsung joins the crowd, rejects Apple's Omnia 2 antenna claims http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 9:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
In summary,

Our phones are real phones. Your phone is not a phone. It's bullshit of you to push the blame on others, so stop being childish and push the blame on others, or else we might not put S-AMOLED screens on your iPhone 5. - Samsung]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/I was surprised apple went with the 'everyone is doing it' defense. So if all phones lowers signal when antennas are covered, why the hell would you put it on the outside right in the left corner where you touch? Obviously this was a defense they pulled out of there butts to make the issue seem better than it is and had nothing to do with the iphone4 issue. Sammy is right on: keep the antenna as far as humanly possible away from the hand, on the inside of the phone.

]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Hey if samsung's making phones thats competing with the iphone, how come samsung is providing apple chips? just wondering]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Yeah... I dont really give a damn what Steve is or isnt. So long as theres a free case in my mailbox soon.]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Because the Samsung smartphone division, and the Samsung chip set division, are both separate parts of the company. And Hey! They're both interested in making as much money as possible.]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
They sure have sold a lot more of those chips recently than Omnia 2 phones.]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/This arrangement of selling parts as well as finished products is common with Asian companies. American companies are unique in doing one or the other. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 10:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/I hope the governement looks into this and find Steve and his minions guilty of lying to the masses. What a childish way to side-step a problem. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Yawn...

If I move to the very edge of 3G coverage I can get any phone to drop calls, there's no denying that, unless you are implying you have a phone that works without coverage at all. The only difference is that the iPhone 4 apparently has a little less tolerance, but you can simply avoid the issue using a case or by not touching the damn antenna if you're in a low signal area (seriously, how f*ing hard is that)? That said even without bumpers or taking care not to touch the antenna, the issue only affects less than ONE whopping PERCENT of all iPhone owners enough to return it (note: these are release statistics that I trust a whole lot more then 1000 iHaters commenting on Engadget).

Now, I take it other phones have less issues, which is probably true since they have the antenna on the inside. Even if other phones have 100 times less issues than the iPhone 4, the difference -by construction- is STILL less than ONE PERCENT of all iPhone owners.

Now you go look up the consumer satisfaction statistics of other phones or appliances and check how many dissatisfied customers they have that return the product. I'm pretty sure one percent is still among the lowest return percentage of any phone. So either people who dislike Apple are still desparately trying to convince themselves the iPhone really sucks with statements such as 'it can't even make calls', or they are implying lots of people buy iPhones that suck at making calls but don't care enough to return them.]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Why the fuck am I still even commenting on this by the way... /care]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Steve Jobs is playing spin doctor. He told just enough of the truth to make his bullshit sound legit. At the end of the day, Any Iphone4 with the antenna issue needs a condom. My phone doesn't need one to function properly. Nor does my sister's 3GS, my brothers MyTouch 3GSlide or my girlfriend's Droid.]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
It's because I am right, you dick.]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
I Phone users put up with the problems because they want the "style" of the IPhone, I think IPhone would really start to suffer, if HTC brought out one that looked better than the IPhone.

I have the HTC Desire, since pre launch, never had 1 problem.
There are quite a few people in my work who are IPhonies who battle me over which is better, and even they are not upgrading due to the problems with the IPhone 4.. not many people with sense want a product that is half arsed. Rushed out to beat the competition.



]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Yes, you've completely convinced me, it's all about the style. I mean, there's like only 2 factors involved in deciding which phone you want to have: reception in areas where coverage sucks, and style. So everyone here likes reception in low signal areas more than style, and everyone who has an iPhone 4 only likes style and doesn't care about anything else. It all makes sense now...

Seriously how black & white can your world be, it's like all of Engadget is full of autists.]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
The sad thing is that far more people will have heard Apples FUD than these rebuts however sober, however rational.

Apple's public bullying will only result in increased retaliatory competition, and while they are a wildly successful vendor, they do not have enough of a monopoly to guarantee their indispensableness in the market.]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
I guess this guy is being a jerk too?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJxZ4YN3yw8]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Or how about this jerk? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Your kidding, right?

I love my iPhone 4 as much as the next guy, but sticking your head in the sand doesn't make a design flaw(A bad one at that) go away. Also, a lot of Android phones are very well designed and look great. And unless I'm mistaken, the iPhone was plastic until just recently and you never had a problem with that did you? Besides plastic has some advantages over glass(Mainly, durability).

Although I think the internet has blown the flaw way out of proportion, if Steve addressed the "non-issue" its because there is an issue. Also, its thanks to all the bad press that were getting free cases(Come on, you cant say no to free).]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Get my point, Steve's being a jerk because he vaguely acknowledged the problem. He could have just acknowledged it, without backstabbing Samsung and others. There's no need for it. The antenna design in the iPhone 4 is a serious fail.

Btw, you will only experience signal degradation if you hold it extremely tight.]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
lol ok I did simplify my response somewhat.

The IPhone 4 and HTC Desire are not far off from each other on Specs
(ok the desire actually works,.. but hay had to get a small dig in there)

But HTC is not a well known brand, and does not look as good as the IPhone, and a lot of the people I speak to do choose the IPhone due to its looks/company they know.

I'm not talking about everyone, maybe its just a London thing.

I will admit I have never liked the company apple. because I feel they are not at all centred around customers, and more around control.

D]]>Jul 20th 2010 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
because they would like to make a profit?]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBolQ9o_-Q68&v=BolQ9o_-Q68&gl=US]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Interesting Development: "RIM Pulls “Death Grip” Videos from YouTube"

http://theurbangeek.com/2010/07/20/rim-pulls-death-grip-videos-from-youtube/]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
True that. Haters going to hate.]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Actually the Galaxy S has the same reception problem. Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Wow... You are so stupid... Go get a job with a telecommunication's company take their RTT courses and then find out that the only company that is telling you the truth is actually Apple.


Their is a reason phones come with Stickers telling you where the antenna is and don't touch there. ]]>Jul 20th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Hey, you're comment is waaaaay up there, but I wanted to give you a +1.

If you know antennas are a problem, why exacerbate the issue by making the antennas external and gapping them at the lower left corner?

I don't disagree that there are antenna problems, I think that Steve gambled that the strength of an external antenna would shine through the problems and he was dead wrong.]]>Jul 20th 2010 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Don't too hard with SJ.

For someone who has hard time with his hubby@wife@gf@bf, buy i4, then you have the solid reason why you can't be contacted. Thank for the antenna design... ;-))]]>Jul 20th 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
You do realize this is common in the industry, don't you ? Samsung has been supplying panels to Sony. Panasonic supplies plasma panels to others. Ducati supplies engines to Bimota, etc etc.

And now your point was ?]]>Jul 20th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
I can't believe how much press this issue is getting. The reported data says 1% more dropped calls than the 3GS. The 3GS outnumbers the iPhone 4 by 10:1 so it could be a little more eventually but it's not like you can't make a call nor is it all that easy to drop a call in real-world situations.

It does happen with other phones too but naturally you don't know where the antenna is so even if you do block it, you don't know about it.

The funniest part of all this is the complaints coming from people who have not and never will own an iPhone 4 (yeah Revolution, that means you - 'ooh I bought an EVO instead', did you bollocks). The 3 million plus people who own them ain't sending them back. You can call them apologists or sheep or whatever. If they're happy with what they got then how is it a problem?

If the iPhone 4 doesn't reach 50 million sales by the year's end then the reputation may have been tarnished but if it gets close then I guess you guys are going to be so dazzled by your own hate you will just implode.

How can it be that something you know beyond all reasonable doubt to be so flawed is so popular? It can't be, noooooo. *implosion*]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/You do know AMOLED is known for having great viewing angles and using less energy than LCD displays, right?

Also, people should really stop being at each others throat, it's making me think that the real reason for the existence of these companies is to make fanboy destroy each other. SERIOUSLY - It's pretty clear that Apple/Microsoft/HTC/Samsung/WhoeverTheHellYou'Fight'For doesn't need you to stick up for them on a comments section of a gadget blog.

I mean c'mon guys. These companies clearly can make it on their own. Hence the huge amount of money they own. Can't we all just hold hands, skip around and enjoy the products we enjoy, whatever they be? D:

...Pretty please? D:]]>Jul 20th 2010 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
The case fix works for all phones. My naked EVO gets dropped calls if I hold the bottom, but I always it's always in a case, so this doesn't bother me at all. I don't understand why all these iphone 4g owners are complaining. Just put on a damn case a be done with it like the rest of us cell phone users.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
Don't listen to these buttplugs. None of them have any fucking clue. All of them saw one or two videos online of signal drop and they made up their minds. Most of them were praying for an issue like this to blow out of proportion cause they are riding androids dick

Use the phone as you normally would any other phone and if it drops a call get a refund. That's what I did and I'm more than happy with the iPhone 4. Plus I get a free case now.


There is a reason most of the reviewers (and Jimmy fallon) didn't notice the issue during the review process. If normal use didn't expose the reviewers to the issue, it's a good chance you won't notice either. But if you do.... Ditch the fucking thing.]]>Jul 20th 2010 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/
There's no need for proof.
There are users like us, who use these phones.
I once owned the Omnia 2, and I didn't have that sort of problem.
When I switched to the iPhone 4, bam, I was pissed off.
I returned it, and got the EVO.

I'm a happy EVO user.]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/

Did you not read? Unless you are holding your phone in such a way that it covers the bottom of the phone, the degradation doesn't exist.

Same with Iphone 4... hence the reason lefties are having such a problem.]]>Jul 20th 2010 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/samsung-joins-the-crowd-rejects-apples-omnia-2-antenna-claims/Jul 20th 2010 9:40AM