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Then why post it?]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/

from engadget - the same site that said it was going to verizon, every 3 months since 2008]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
This makes sense. T-Mobile is GSM, and even if they aren't a huge network they have a solid 30million suscriber base and any more iPhones Apple can sell are worth it. They're also doing great things with their "4G" offerings.

Besides, GSM to GSM makes a lot more sense than GSM to CDMA. And as far as the "What? T-Mobile is a budget network!" comments go...iPhones are available for $99. It's not about status, it's about reaching as many customers as possible.

I like it. Plus, it keeps those millions of data hogs off of Verizon and my connection so we all win.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Yeah but if Apple really wanted to reach as many users as possible, they'd just make a CDMA phone and get access to every carrier in the world- including Verizon.

The only reason Apple isn't doing this is because of their ATT exclusivity agreement. They're in this for the money and enabling their phone to access the millions of Verizon customers would earn them a lot more than the bit of additional cost creating a CDMA device. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/word! I keep laughing at it and when/if it eventually happens they will go "see, we told you its coming". I still dont believe itll happen as long as VZ is CDMA. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
haha

Guess Apple needs another carrier to blame for reception. I have a feeling Apple wants to buy their own telecommunications company. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Considers apple's generally accepted issues with them not being particularly great at cellular RF stuff, I'd venture as far as to say that even if it does happen, most people will be unhappy with the performance.
If AWS was on a single band then I'd be inclined to believe this because as far as I can tell, it's simply a matter of changing some multipliers on the signals coming from the processor in order to do it but thats definitely not the case with T-mobile.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/The vast majority being returning users.
Just saying.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/CDMA deserves to die a horrible, painful but rapid death, NOW.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Yea, because Apple is so worried about RIM taking away their users. RIM has like 2% market share. Now android on the other hand...]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Thats what happens when you have 2 models of phone and one carrier.

Me thinks Android would be over and done with if they were in the same situation.

Maybe Google is the one that was initially desperate by having to go with umpteen OEM's, umpteen carriers, and umpteen models.

And even still, there is not that huge of a difference!

A single model of Android phone sells is a rounding error (a few exceptions) compared to the amount of phones Apple sells.

There are just a lot of rounding errors in the Android world.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
I disagree. CDMA will not stand in the way. Verizon is nowhere near close to using LTE for voice. That is several years out. Any iPhone that comes out for Verizon, either 3G LTE will still need a CDMA radio for voice in it.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
right, so you think none of the issues ever experienced with the iPhone are due to AT&T's shitty network?

Living in your own reality distortion field, are you?]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
LOL!!! You really believe that crap don't you?
Lemme give you a heads-up. Apple lost market share in Q2, RIM isn't going anywhere and still occupy a large percentage of the US market. Android is also very strong in the US market.
That said, I like none of the above platforms for my own use :-P]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
rim has double the marketshare apple has.

android has single digit marketshare. even windows mobile is bigger than android, you stupid idiot]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Desperate Attempt? iPhone is sold on one carrier, Android and BB on 4 carriers each currently, I'd say that iPhone is holding it's own pretty well with 25% exposure vs 100% exposure for Android and BB.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Guess school let out early huh jack? Dont be mad iPhone will still be on ATT now you have your choice of 2 shitty networks.

You should talk to other att NON-iphone users get their opinion. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Canada's population is 35 million, and i'm sure we don't have 30 million active cellphones. So that's like another canada. Let's assume t-mobile gets the same percentage of it's customers buy the iphone as at&t did. that's another 5 million devices sold over a few years. Considering apple makes about 420 dollars in profits on each iphone sold, thats another 2 billion for apple.

(the % of t-mobile customers will be less than at&t's since they have more "careful-with-money" type spenders, but the amount of iphone owners is growing significantly each year, so I decided that they would equal the same in my quick guesstimate. All other numbers are from wiki, and various articles on the net, + quick mental math that may have been flawed. I am not reponsible for any money apple may loose by following any of the information above, and highly recommend they do they're own market evaluations :p)
]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Whoa, do some research. Last figures I saw, which I believe were last week, showed Rim had 41% of the smartphone market in the US, and apple had like 22%. Android was up to something like 15% I think. Feel free to search for the latest reports.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Trolls will always troll, regardless of the availability of the facts.]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/You idiot rofl]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
You should read the book "The Myth of Market Share.". More market share does not equal more profit. Too many companies chase market share and end up going under.

By basing market share as a meaure of success, according to you, Honda vehicles would be better than Jaguar. More people own Hondas, but that doesn't mean they're better.

Market share does not equal profit. Period. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
How is it "desperate" for Apple to want to expand to multiple carriers to increase market share, but it wasn't desperate for all of the other companies who already did so?]]>Jul 21st 2010 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Amen!!!!!]]>Jul 21st 2010 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 6:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/"By basing market share as a meaure of success, according to you, Honda vehicles would be better than Jaguar. More people own Hondas, but that doesn't mean they're better.
Market share does not equal profit. Period."

Using your example (skipping quality part, which has nothing to do with success/profit)....
Honda for 2010 is showing a 27% profit increase reaching $800M for the year. Jaguar is hoping for 2010 to be the first year since they were sold by Ford that they won't show a loss. Looks like in your case Market share is more profitable.

]]>Jul 21st 2010 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Lte is not GSM. Lte. Is the evolution of GSM but not different. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 6:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
this is the first part he said

"You should read the book "The Myth of Market Share.". More market share does not equal more profit. Too many companies chase market share and end up going under. "

You should tell the other this. This a book that someone spent years researching. I know books get published left and right but there is work that gets put in their. I am interested in reading this book, because i would like to see the authors views and points. Not just make a decision based on what one of his readers said.]]>Jul 21st 2010 6:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/No doubt, and same could be said for returning droid users. BTW, before you think of any bias, I have a Google Nexus One.]]>Jul 21st 2010 6:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Has Android surpassed Apple yet? If Android was that good they would have passed Apple's marketshare a long time ago, think about this: Android is available on Verizon, TMobile, AT&T, Sprint, even prepaid carriers have it now, where the iPhone is only on AT&T. Hmm...what a great OS it must be. ]]>Jul 21st 2010 7:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/China Mobile is *proudly* using TD-SCDMA which they hope was never invented. Besides that, officially entering Chinese market also requires WIFI replaced by WAPI, which is another sh*t they have to put up with...anyway there are probably 1 million people already using smuggled iPhone or iPhone KIRFs in China ]]>Jul 21st 2010 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
I'm a NEW IPhone4 User, first APPLE product I've owned EVER!! I DON'T like Android, and I got tired of waiting around for Windows Mobile 7. Maybe in a couple years I'll make the jump to Windows Mobile 8. I'm a lefty and the so called Antenna problems have been a non-issue for me. Blown way out of proportion. I do have a SKIN on my phone. So in a way it's covered, but it's not any larger in size, and is custom looking. My own custom Skin design.
]]>Jul 21st 2010 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Vast majority? yea, so over 50 percent of people returned there iphone, that's completely credible. Not even 10 percent did, so it's still well about the 2.5 million mark for one week which you have to admit is incredible.]]>Jul 21st 2010 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Why was this post downranked? He was just stating that rim has like no market share anymore and android.. well.. does.]]>Jul 21st 2010 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 7:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/
Well... HTC, Motorola, RIM, LG and others don't mind making phones for Verizon. You'd think Apple would at least try it out.

What's the worst that could happen... they'd sell millions of phones to a whole new market of customers in a few days?

Man, I'd love to have those problems...]]>Jul 21st 2010 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/I would also add that the Vibrant is being equally ignored by T-mobile. There are no ads for it anywhere on their site, and the only way to find it is buried on the last page of the android phones. This is a REALLY dumb move by T-mo... the Vibrant is by far their best phone on offer. Why not advertise it to hell like Sprint did with the Evo?]]>Jul 21st 2010 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 8:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21/iphone-headed-for-t-mobile-usa-in-q3/Jul 21st 2010 8:17PM