http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/- T-Mobile which is broke, still wont' afford the iphone, still for sale will be touting some 'fast 3.75G' in select markets
-Sprint will begin to realize due to their cost constraints rolling out Wimax is too slow, expensive and futile and going it alone with Clear was a bad idea will start software conversion to LTE (already admitted they'd be open to it)' and also to guarentee better handsets on par with VZ (companies already will need a CDMA/LTE hybrid for VZ)
-ATT will still be a slave to Apple and Antennagate blaming them for slow rollouts and congestion of 3G and showing some limited test of their LTE which wont even see the light of day till 2012 and will be even more sparse than their 3G (thats a sad accomplishment)
-MEANWHILE VZ will have close to half the country in 4G LTE with latency in 30ms range. (already promised 100 million people covered in over 30 markets by end of 2010!) Undoubtedly vz will still be pricey, but hey youll get what you pay for.

...And if you think Apple's going to wait till 2012 when ATT may have 4G for an iphone while VZ gets one awesome 4G DROID device after another starting after Christmas, you're nuts. ...now you get the picture.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
You'll never see the iPhone. Poor verizon fanboys. All talk but no game]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Sad to hear that Verizon had to downsize it's workforce. It had to cut it operating costs perhaps. Good to know both Verizon and ATT grew their subscriber base. Of course, it begs the question where did the new subscribers come from?]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Not the wireless company. People need to distinguish the two. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Maybe my short term memory is causing some problems? ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
"which is 200,000 shy of the 1.6 million that AT&T recently picked up. What's crazy is that one carrier has the iPhone while the other doesn't,.."

Because a phone doesn't make a coverage-trusted network.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 3:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Hello! wake up to reality now....

1. The ONLY reason Verizon is even IN the game is because of their buy one and get one offer (allows them to add subscribers faster, but then it messes up their cost structure).

2. The Droid campaigns are very expensive. Whereas, Att splits the marketing between themselves and Apple, with ONE major launch a year, Verizon has a new Droid campaign every other month!

3. To put this all in perspective, Att sold 3.2M iphones in the just concluded Q. I doubt Verizon came close to that number in terms of new Android devices sold. That is across all devices for all manufacturers, including all the buy one get one offers etc.

4. Verizon made a mistake by turning down the iphone. Now they are in catch up mode. There hasn't been a single quarter since the release of the iphone where Verizon's earnings have come close to Att's. NOT ONE! So for Verizon to pretend that they are doing fine without the iphone is kinda hilarious. Just look at the numbers between att and Verizon! The numbers don't lie.

5. I bet the iPad data plans are also adding up for Att. I bet there must be at least 1M 3G iPads sold in the US, all with ATT data plans. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Enjoy your bumper and extremely spotty 3G coverage. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Sprint and Clear AND the cable companies will do well with WiMax. People DON"T care what the technology behind the service is. Only geeks do as is proven by Verizon, which is CDMA and doing well despite your anti-"whateveryonelseisusingtotransmitwillfail" tirade. And since wireless data modems cost nothing compared to cellphones, switching from provider to provider between WiMax and LTE is a non-issue anyway.

Latency? Once again, only geeks will care about another 20ms.

Also, why would Apple "be waiting" as you say, for 4G when Clear/sprint/etc are already deploying far ahead of everyone else?

None of your arguments hold water.]]>Jul 24th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Cingular was the best. I say there was a match against them.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
I miss Cingular so much. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Grammar fail. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Hahah what? Cingular had crappier/spottier service than AT&T]]>Jul 23rd 2010 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 7:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Is it because of the LTE deployment?]]>Jul 23rd 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Verizon lost the most money due to the layoffs on the Verizon Communications side and not on the wireless side.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 6:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
AT&T is also stupidly expensive, but not as stupidly expensive as Verizon.

Since I'm tied to GSM, I switched to TMobile. The Even More Plus plans are about the best deal you'll find outside of Cricket Wireless.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
mmmm if you have done your homework, you would see that VZW and AT&T prices mirror each other. Only difference right now is that you don't get unlimited data on AT&T for smartphones.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
I hammer the crap out of my phone data wise, but when I am at home and work, it doesn't matter (wifi)

most people have access to a wifi network at least at their house, if not work at well. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Like I said, only difference right now is that you don't get unlimited data with AT&T by just saving $5/month.

VZW: $59.99 for 450min, unlimited text and free nights/weekends + $30 Unlimited Data on smartphones.

AT&T: $39.99 450min Rollover with Nights&Weekends + $20 Unlimited text + $25 for 2GB Data.

You ain't saving much with AT&T since for $5 less you don't get unlimited data. Now VZW will switch to same pricing on data soon but only people who aren't heavy data users can save some money on AT&T with their $15/200MB data plan.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/sprint 60$ a month unlimited date/text. 500min
its the cheapest of any package for a smartphone]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Yep. that's what I was thinking too.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Why's that? AT&T has a much faster network. If iphone was on Verizon, apple would only see incremental increases in sales while seeing increased costs and loss of control.

]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
"Much faster network" where it works. which is almost no where.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Works fine in my area with more coverage than V. That's all that matters. Triple the 3G speeds as well.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
....a lot of nerds and apple fanboys

and trolls Jomah, don't forget about the trolls]]>Jul 23rd 2010 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
I also have great AT&T coverage in my area. Even after the 4.0.1 update I still get a full 5 bars throughout my house and into town (although I CAN now lose 1 bar when covering the left slit). I drop a call very rarely, in fact I've only had 3 dropped calls since I got my first iPhone 3G over 2 years ago. To be honest I'd rather take the faster 3G network simply because I have great coverage for it around here. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 3:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
they stopped that practice about 1.5 years ago...GPS,WiFi are now unlocked...]]>Jul 23rd 2010 3:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/Jul 23rd 2010 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Yeah, I was just speaking of featurephones like the krazr and the razr and the env2 I had when I was with them. They were all very handicapped when compared to the same models on other carriers.

Had they gotten the Droid sooner I would have stayed with Verizon, but I definitely don't regret my decision right now. Their rate plans and charges are ridiculous. Plus I get a 22% discount at AT&T through their premier program. I only saved 11% at Verizon through my workplace. Right now on AT&T i pay $74 after all fees and taxes for 450 minutes, rollover minutes, 200 texts, unlimited data (and I do mean unlimited, two months ago when I was still tethering I used 9.5 GB in one billing cycle), and free nights and weekends. I don't think I could get a plan with the same stuff for that cheap at Verizon.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
I was on AT&T for several years. Pretty much from the time I graduated high school until a year and a half ago when I switched to get the Droid on Verizon. I had really good cell service on AT&T, but they're [sic] charges and customer service in general were really bad. Bad enough that I left mid-contract to go to Verizon where my bill was only $10 more for the Droid than it was on AT&T with a crappy featurephone. I would really like better 3G service from Verizon but as a whole my experience has been so much better with Verizon than AT&T. AT&T loves to load all sorts of crapware on their Android phones and then lock them down so you can't even put mp3's on them from you [sic] PC.]]>Jul 23rd 2010 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/23/verizon-posts-1-5b-net-loss-picks-up-slightly-fewer-new-wirele/
Wow, it's hard to even imagine the snarky-ness with which you fashioned that reply. It's too bad you can't troll blogs with FaceTime yet. ]]>Jul 23rd 2010 5:02PM