http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/ Engadget Comments for HP's Rahul Sood says Microsoft killed Xbox vs PC online gaming due to keyboard-mouse superiority http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
(Sorry for not relating to the topic, it's just so good)]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
That guy from HP is wrong, IMO. PC gamers are HARD-TO-THE-CORE. You want to pull out your hairs and slit your own wrists? Trying playing any COD or Counter Strike type games.... these guys are relentless animals.]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Well he's actually right. Physically, keyboards and mice are superior for quick, precise movements, and are much more natural and free-moving than the restrictive analog stick. One can twitch a mouse as fast as one can move their hands, whereas even the best Xbox player is restricted to the 170(?) degree range of motion (from one side to the other) of the analog stick.]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/true, but from my experience people on PC games are a lot better too, theyre generally surprised by how pants people are on things like xbox compared to the higher level on PC, i suppose when you play better people you also become better.
still, i have always wondered why they never put cross platform online play, i do want to own friends on games like COD but cant afford both a good PC and an xbox and sub and buying games on both platforms :(
i do like to show up people who brag of 1337 skills...]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/

im pretty sure common sense guy said that too.]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
I've noticed, I own both,]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Why not? A small redesign, and thing could go quite nicely.]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Thing is, while consoles are restricted to controller only, PCs aren't restricted to Keyboard & Mouse only.

I have consoles and computers, I use both, but only on my PC can I use KB&M and an Xbox 360 controller. True, I have a keyboard on my xbox, but that's purely for typing, not gaming. All attempts at getting KB&M combinations on to consoles thus far have been terrible.

I can assure everyone that the difference between KB&M and controller is a huge one. I am usually first in COD on console and same with PC, I'm what most would count a hard-core gamer, and have been for almost 15 years. Shots I could make on the PC are all but impossible on console. You have to modify your strategies and play style on console, which, if it was cross platform, would make you very susceptible to PC players.]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
I'm a PC gamer, and I didn't take it as him saying all PC gamers are mediocre. Mouse + kb will always be superior input devices than controllers in FPS and also RTS. For those types of games I use my PC]]>Jul 25th 2010 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 8:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
I'm a huge PC Gamer and I gotta say, Shadowrun is hands down superior when controlled with a 360 controller. The game isn't so much about being the best shot, it is about formations, movement and planning ahead. Any idiot can boot up smart link + rifle and kill, but give me a 360 controller and I can wipe out a team of good PC guys with rifles alone.

I also play on both the PC and 360 for Shadowrun. The game was designed around the controller, a mouse is a hindrance. ]]>Jul 25th 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Yes yes this article made me laugh uncontrollably. ]]>Jul 25th 2010 10:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Having both a console and a PC I can say in my experience that KB/M crushes on FPS games. And it's not even close. Now, as for other types of games obviously a gamepad is superior. I really wish that I had a viable KB/M option for the XBox on some games.]]>Jul 25th 2010 10:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
The only games that are better played using gamepad are fighting games and those that has actions that require the analog stick directional input. Think street fighter and devil may cry.

Otherwise, KB + mouse absolutely mobs the floor with the gamepads for any other type of game, especially shooters.]]>Jul 26th 2010 2:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Shadowrun is love, but unfortunately these Microsoft games had nothing to do with it.]]>Jul 26th 2010 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/I'm still on my knees hoping FASA makes a comeback and do a Shadowrun 2.... Shadowrun itself was a game that many had looked past but was a game that could keep you on for hours at night.

BTW, being an Elf does NOT make you a noob!]]>Jul 26th 2010 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
I have had this debate with Console fanboys before and it is just a joke. Compare playing MW2 on Live with players on PC - its like night and day. A game like TF2 on console can hardly even exist yet its amazing on PC. They level of team play and cooperating you see just doesn't really exist on Xbox Live.

I'm glad that this is getting some attention because I've heard the "Xbox Live" killed PC gaming argument too much and its baseless. If you want real competition, PC is still where its at. Live is for kiddies who dont even know what ping is. ]]>Jul 26th 2010 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
These new generations of knuckle dragging console morons dont stand a chance! ]]>Jul 26th 2010 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Agreed. The low frame rates will balance out the lack of keyboard and mouse. ]]>Jul 26th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
I'm one of those mediocre PC gamers - and I enjoy my light flings into the FPS worlds. I had a chance to play Halo2 at an Xbox party with friends and I totally sucked at it. I had no control compared to my mouse. Those head shots I can line up at will on PC are totally absent on XBox.

I appreciate this article. Validates my thoughts.

BTW - I do own a wii - and enjoy the point and shoot aspect of the wii controller much more than a normal gaming pad. Now... if only wii was HD.]]>Jul 26th 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Nothing offers the same level of versatility and precision as they do. ]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
because consoles are played on a tv, not desktop. ]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
No. For RTS, K+M wins, hands down. I doubt controllers will ever come close.

For FPS, the mouse can offer slightly better target tracking with practice, but fails in freedom of movement, because you are restricted to up, down, left, and right keys, while on a dual stick controller, you have full 360 degree freedom of aim and movement. Once you throw a KontrolFreek onto the aim joystick, you have plenty of linear distance from stop to stop to get all the accuracy you need to compete with K+M gamers. Shadowrun was a great game. Played tons of it on xbox and PC, and never felt that balance was an issue.

Aside from FPS and RTS, controllers perform as good or better every other genre that I can think of.
]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
You must really not have played with a keyboard and mouse in a long time (you have no idea what you're talking about). Mouse look provides far more rotational directional control than an analog stick, as you can rotate more than 360 significantly faster than with an analog stick on a console.]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Unreal Tournament 3 supports keyboard and mouse on PS3. Game developers don't put the feature in because the majority would still use game controllers and, as Rahul Sood said, KB&M would wipe the floor against the gamepad. Shadowrun actually put in some handicaps for PC users to not give them too much of an advantage over console players.]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/You've got to be kidding me... Are you even using a mouse right now? Wow..]]>Jul 25th 2010 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
I grew up on PC games, and I still play games like TF2 on PC, using a logitech G9 gaming mouse. You are right about the 360 spins with a mouse. Its faster. But when you increase the linear distance of the joystick, and increase the sensitivity, the controller is not too far off. Advantage Mouse.

But movement is also key, especially in up-close firefights. On a controller, you not only get 360 degrees of movement, (vs 8 degrees on a keyboard), but you can also completely control the speed of movement, where as keyboard movement speed is binary. So if I am moving and sniping, or strafing and shooting up close, its vital that i have complete control of not only aim, but also movement speed and direction, because that also has a direct effect on how steady i can track my target when we are both moving and shooting.

On the other hand, if you are standing still, the mouse wins. But if you are a skilled FPS player, it is important to always keep moving, so freedom and accuracy of movement becomes an integral part of your ability to aim and traverse the environment simultaneously. ]]>Jul 25th 2010 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
"How can you seriously say that a controller is superior to a keyboard and mouse?"

Would you not agree that for most other genres (platforming, racing, sports, etc) controllers work better? Please enlighten me if you think I am way off on this one. I never said controllers were superior for FPS, and they certainly are far worse for RTS.

Obviously lots of proud PC gamers here, and that's great. I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. I am just trying to offer another perspective to the discussion, but thanks anyways for the down votes! ]]>Jul 25th 2010 8:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Anyone who debates the merits of Keyboard + Mouse when it come to FPS and argues that controllers/gamepads offer better tracking and more versatility in terms of 360 degrees of movement is not worth debating at all.

There is no comparison.
Gamepads are too slow, too imprecise, and too restricting when it comes to movement on the x, y, or z axis, or in terms of tracking, or in terms of responsiveness. Nothing can compare to the accuracy and response times of a KB+Mouse combo. ]]>Jul 25th 2010 9:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
First, you was down ranked into oblivion because how ignorantly you came across. All halo-tarded fanboism. You're right in some things and hopefully just misinformed in others. The movement in controllers vs KB isn't better or at least not much. Most FPS have a secondary walk key assignment to slow down movement. Typically the shift key has this assignment and is ideally located near the WASD keys. I play mainly FPS, RTS, MMORPG, and Racing Sims. Out of those I prefer the controller for only racing due to it being more precise. So some are better with KB/M and some with controller. As for FPS if you aren't running full speed then BOOM! HEAD SHOT!! and even then u still gonna get dome'd.

BFBC2
TF2
L4D2
L4D
CS:S
Grid
Dirt 2
FFXI
FFXIV (soon)
Civ4
Civ5 (soon)
Quake 1-3
N:TW]]>Jul 25th 2010 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Ok here me out guys but does anyone ever think that using a mouse is kind of like cheating? Like can anyone aim a gun that well in real life? Can't say I have run around with gun before shooting a bunch of enemies so I honestly don't know the answer. Maybe it's not the case so much with PC games tuning down the ability to aim down to a single pixel especially when shooting from the hip.]]>Jul 25th 2010 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
It's not to be said that some people don't play very well with console controllers. Just because you can use a mouse and have greater freedom of movement and have it move as fast as you can move your hand does not make you a cheater.

That's the kind of mentality that makes PC gamers look at console players as well "idiots". I do both, or rather did both (got tired of the PC upgrade cycle) so I can see both sides of the argument.

But believe me if I could easily stick a wireless keyboard and mouse into my 360 and play things like team fortress and get the full freedom of a mouse, I could kill console players easily as well.]]>Jul 25th 2010 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/I would think it would be hard to use a mouse and a keyboard on a couch or recliner.]]>Jul 25th 2010 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 11:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Me, I play PC games on a touchpad. It took me a week or two to get use to it, but after I did I became godly at aiming making shots that even mouse users can't make. It has also trained my fingers to be even faster so now I have a hard time playing with a mouse because I find my hands are moving way faster then they should.

I play RTS best with a Mouse, RPGs best with a Controller, and FPSers best with a Touchpad. Overall I play better with a Touchpad then anything else [FPS-Great RTS-High RPG-High compared to RPG/RTS - Great RTS/RPG - Moderate FPS-low]]]>Jul 26th 2010 3:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Most other genres? No. It goes about 50/50.
KB and mouse is better at shooters, adventure, strategy, rpg, puzzle and simulation
while pads are better at action (not shooting kind), action-adventure, racing, sports, platformers and fighters]]>Jul 26th 2010 4:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/My PC is hooked up to my TV and I use it for gaming...]]>Jul 26th 2010 8:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/Jul 25th 2010 7:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/
Indeed, as a console gamer turned pc gamer, I now find the keyboard mouse to be much superior to the controller. ]]>Jul 25th 2010 7:24PM