http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 28th 2010 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Btw, for some reason, I dont like the back of this car. Prolly coz it looks kinda like a butt!]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
This has got us such wonderments as the Nissan Cube which is so fascinatingly ugly it actually makes the AMC Pacer look sleek. I personally believe it will become a collectors item for sheer novelty value much like such french classics as the 2cv or perhaps the ami 6. ]]>Jul 27th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/thats what happened with the 350Z the California design studio got to design the car and the French branch got to redesign Nissan's VQ motor.

European Economy cars in general look all bubbly and concept carish]]>Jul 28th 2010 3:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.autoblog.com/photos/alfa-romeo-2uettottanta-by-pininfarina/#2756796

I know this argument about electric cars being hideous is constantly held but this car is so fugly it makes me cry :'-(

None of the contours on this atrocity are likable and there is not a single viewing angle from which the vehicle would not look like a turd. In many ways it's the Pontiac Aztek of electric cars...]]>Aug 1st 2010 10:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/It's a good thing these EVs are taking a while to produce, because the American power grid, as a whole, can't support millions of electric vehicles.]]>Jul 27th 2010 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
Why wait? Just get an infiniti G sedan. it looks similar to it and starts at 33k. You can use the rest of the money you save on gas. Or if you want something that really looks like it, get a maserati quattroporte. The Model S is a luxury car, not a layman's electric camry. You should at least have some scrilla in your pockets pulling up in a car like that.]]>Jul 27th 2010 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
o hey wats up]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
All he saw was "...hi..." The rest of the message got lost in his excitement at apparently being acknowledged by another human being.]]>Jul 27th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
I have been riding an electric bicycle for the past year. Initially the battery was great, needing full recharge only once every week. After 5 months, the battery needs a full-charge every half a week. 10 months later it was almost the end of every trip (usually ]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/what battery chemistry does your bike have? Thats a pretty crappy battery.

A Good modern cell should go 1000-2000 charges and still maintain 80% of the battery life.
I know thats a huge change but theres so many differnt chemistries out there its not even funny.


The Volt which uses only 50% of its battery for each charge still should get 35 miles or so even at 160,000 miles if you drain it after every drive]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
http://green.autoblog.com/2010/07/27/nissan-announces-leaf-rollout-plans-8-year-battery-warranty/

Your bike probably doesn't have a battery management system. See batteries wear out faster if you charge them to 100% and then drain them all the way, and continuously do that every time. For this car's battery, they try to keep the charge between 30% (ish) and 80% (ish) so the cars battery will last longer. Further more, your bike probably had cheap cells in it. The nissan leaf's battery pack has cells that are rated for >1000 recharge cycles. So this car's battery will likely last the full 100000 mile warranty, and still hold a pretty damn good charge. ]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 7:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
How can a vehicle that doesn't directly use gasoline have its mileage rated in MPG?]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Whoops, it was 367. My bad.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
Well the battery pack holds 16kWh of electricity. Now consider that it uses roughly half of that per charge (because of the BMS). So 8kWh to go 100 miles. Pretty good

A gallon of gasoline has roughly 22kWh of energy in it. That number seems to be disputed, but i'll go with it just for these purposes and because it sounds reasonable to me. SO:

100mi/8 kWh
1gal/ 22kWh
___________
275 mpg

Thats with my random internet figures. I have no idea where they got that 367 from unless they use even less of the battery pack which is unlikely.
]]>Jul 27th 2010 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
Every local has a cozy government job thanks to the oil industry. Working for a living is entirely optional. If you're in Venezuela, then there will be no big change, since Chavez screws just about everyone. ]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
Using part count to determine whether it's foreign or domestic is just a fraud. The key determination should have been where does the money spent by the consumers on the car end up. A 68% US part count means little if 100% of profit went to Japan.]]>Jul 27th 2010 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 6:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
The vast majority of profit is actually re-invested in the division of the car company. i.e, Nissan America's profits are reinvested into Nissan America. Yes, some "profits" go overseas in the forms of dividends to investors, but you're comparing one MNC to another here. There are many American investors in Chinese, Japanese companies, etc and vice versa. We live in a globalized age, so quit spreading your ignorant tripe.]]>Jul 27th 2010 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Profits go to the shareholders, not "Japan". Since Nissan is a publicly traded company, you and I can be shareholders.

@Dest:
Thank you.]]>Jul 27th 2010 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
In terms of owners, GM might have slightly more US shareholders, but the majority is owned by a handful of people. Unless you are in that rich elite, this doesn't benefit you much. Excluding the top shareholders, both companies are pretty equal in practical terms.

In terms of employees, GM has more US employees than Nissan, so that's a win for GM although their US to foreign workforce ratio is decreasing whereas Nissan's US to outside US workforce is increasing. Don't let GM fool you by saying their North American workforce ratio is steady. That's just a way to hide that their Mexican and Canadien workforce is increasing. Still, a win for GM for now.

Outside recipients is where Nissan is benefiting the US more than GM. Nissan's cash outflow to US companies and communities minus tax received from the US government is a lot larger than GM's. So a win for Nissan.

Overall, more cash stays and gets invested in the US when you buy a Nissan Car vs a GM car. GM's Chinese investment is magnitudes more than Nissan's, which is good if you believe in the global economy, but it's hard to argue that buying a Volt benefits the US more than the Leaf. ]]>Jul 27th 2010 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Thank you very much for you explanation.]]>Jul 28th 2010 11:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Get one of these for the bread winners commute
and the other runs the gas minivan/cuv/suv
Most people drive less than 40 miles a day. If you drive more then 100 a day then this car isnt for you. Just like if you live on a ranch with a 20 mile driveway with large pot holes a Super car isnt the best choice for you]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://failblog.org/2010/07/23/dark-side-win/]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/And maybe it won't cost $41,000 like those miserable continual failures at GM. So much for an American Revolution.]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/I just don't think anyones boss will accept "No I can't make it to that offsite meeting because of my car"]]>Jul 28th 2010 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
How much more does a battery pack weigh compared to a full tank of gas?]]>Jul 27th 2010 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/
Much, much more (no exact figure here).
But, imagine having a battery and 4 direct motors on each wheel - no engines, no transmissions, no differentials, just pure direct torque at each wheel!]]>Jul 27th 2010 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/nissan-leaf-gets-early-review-you-just-might-forget-its-an-ecce/Jul 27th 2010 5:30PM