http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/ Engadget Comments for HomePlug Powerline Alliance reveals features of new HomePlug AV2 spec http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
Sadly it's hit and miss, I tried the Belkin 1Gbps versions but it had actual throughput of about 80Mbps and dropped out 3-4 times a day .

I changed to Wireless N and it's been quicker and more reliable. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Agreed. I just broke down and wired the house with cat6...now I get solid 110 MB\sec. Maybe this update will bring better results though...too late for me unless I get a new house :P]]>Jul 29th 2010 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
hm...Belkin... I remember when that company was a bastion of tech goodness. Alas that company no longer exists. The name is all that remains.]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
My experience has been the opposite of yours. I started out with some Airlink101 Homeplug Turbo models (which are now happily working for my parents) 5 years ago and I switched to Linksys Homeplug AV units about two years ago. Both systems have been rock solid and the AV setup allows me to stream HD content from Vudu, Netflix and my Windows Home Sever without issues. I've found my connection to be more consistent with Homeplug than Wifi. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
This tech has been rock solid for me.]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Just about every review I've seen of the Belkin has said the same thing - it's identical in reported performance to current 200Mbps equipment it seems.

As regards the actual throughput issue, I tried wireless-N (complete set of matched Netgear stuff). I was getting throughput around 70 Mbps with a laptop right next to the router. Just going to the opposite side of the room dropped it to 50, and going to the next room to 30Mbps. My laptop's built in wireless-G would also run at 30 from the next room, so I had to return the lot, as for me the performance of N and G was identical (in fact had to go to small claims to get a refund as Netgear stated throughput isn't guaranteed).

I'm currently using Billion homeplug adaptors, and they've so far been better than the Netgear ones I had before (2 of which broke 1 month after the warranty ran out). Never heard of Billion before but they get good reviews most places.]]>Jul 30th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Dude that's a TV]]>Jul 29th 2010 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
Look slightly to the left.]]>Jul 29th 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
Those are speakers, and what looks like a home alarm system?]]>Jul 29th 2010 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
Digital frames...or a Sony Dash in every room!]]>Jul 29th 2010 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
That's not a home alarm system.
It's only a thermostat.

We can soooo rob that joint.]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
I'll stay away from powerline networking for now, one less method for anyone to break in... *cue tinfoil hat comments*]]>Jul 29th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
Dude, WiFi also flows outside your house....you need to set your security and encryption for both technologies. For my money, Powerline is actually a bit more secure since not every guy down the block is running Powerline Ethernet and the changes of him picking up my signal, even if unsecured, are remote at best. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
While tinfoil hats may be excessive, you're right for more reasons than you realize. The wires in walls were never meant for high frequency signals.

There's a difference between a wire (like those in your wall) and a transmission line (like a coax cable, or, an ethernet cable). Transmission lines have dedicated ground returns. Without this dedicated ground return, a wire 1 quarter wavelength long (as frequency goes up, wavelength gets shorter) becomes an antenna, emitting electromagnetic radiation.

For a 60 Hz power signal, the wire in your wall is nowhere close to a quarter wavelength, so it doesn't radiate. For a 100 MHz ethernet signal, however, (that's nearly 2 million times higher frequency), the wires in your house are just as good as antennas!!

So, if a couple of people use power line networking, it's not a big deal. But the more popular it becomes, the more congested the 100 MHz band will become, devastating not only power line networking, but also ham radio operators--the ones who are actually licensed to use that wireless frequency band.

I hate to rain on the parade, but these devices should really be boycotted.


]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
That said, I see the 100mhz band being put to far better use with powerline technology, than for the few people who still enjoy ham radio. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
My father is a Ham and runs Powerline Turbo hardware in his shack without interference.]]>Jul 29th 2010 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/While a huge ordeal in itself, reassigning bandwidth isn't really the point I'm making. The point is that wired data transmissions can EASILY avoid emitting EM radiation when designed properly--essentially all it takes is one extra wire. Putting high frequency signals on lines not designed for it is a kludge, one which will affect more than ham radio operators.

Imagine trying to drive a race car full tilt on a sidewalk. It's kinda like that. Except, with the race car, we can SEE the consequences, so we don't do it.

@kmartin
You are correct, 100 MHz is not a ham band. I presented misinformation, perhaps in an effort to over simplify.

]]>Jul 29th 2010 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
You guys have outlets in your pantry?
That's forward thinking.]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/These things block radio reception all over the bands.
House wiring is NOT Cat5]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
I'm thinking this is targeted to households where rewiring the whole place with Cat5 isn't an option...]]>Jul 29th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
I get that, it's still a badly designed solution.
Hurling broad spectrum RF down unshielded, unbalanced cabling is not a good idea.
The 1Gig flavour of these has been caught wiping out DAB radio in the U.K., that's in the 200Mhz range !!!
These things really are junk.]]>Jul 29th 2010 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/If i read up on this correctly the 1Gbit models available from other manufacturers are just a sham so i stayed clear from those speeds.]]>Jul 29th 2010 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 9:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 29th 2010 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
I think they've been very up front about the limitations on old wiring. I beg to differ on 802.11 N...wireless has considerably more drop outs for me and results in stalled/lost video streams constantly. I rarely experience this issue with Powerline AV.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/Jul 30th 2010 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/homeplug-powerline-alliance-reveals-features-of-new-homeplug-av2/
The units work great. ]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:07PM