http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/ Engadget Comments for How many trees must die for iWave's Earth-friendly headphones, iPhone cases? (update) http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
True, but they are charging for it...lol.

And what about iPhone 4 compatible cases?]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 30th 2010 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Just remember - Green is the new Red - look it up.]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
We've been cutting down trees for thousands of years. A good portion of trees cut down for consumer purposes are sustainably grown these days.

Using natural resources like timber is a hell of a lot better for the environment than using plastics. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Thank you...finally someone who isn't an ignorant fuck.
This whole environmentalism and "Green" bullshit is like a religion -- with blind followers who don't know anything gathering around shitbags like Al Gore and thinking he is a prophet. It's all bullshit!]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
"The green movement... It's all bullshit!"

Notice I said only one thing about the claims implied in the article. Namely, that harvesting and using trees for consumer goods is not an environmentally irresponsible thing to do.

People who take a single factual claim and turn it into a general comment about a group of people or an ideology are the fanatical thinkers that need to be stopped.

Trees being used in a sustainable way is not tantamount to the environmental movement being a total sham. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/I still think it is, and I still think a majority of people involved with the "Green" movement are the fanatics spouting junk science, for example, stating global warming is a fact (when it's not), promoting recycling (recycling actually harms the environment), the demonization of carbon dioxide (humans only cause 3% of total co2 emissions, rest is dying plants and volcanoes) with carbon credit corporations that have no oversight, and the whole endangered species thing as well. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
"the demonization of carbon dioxide (humans only cause 3% of total co2 emissions, rest is dying plants and volcanoes)"

Speaking of "junk science," throwing out random percentages don't give any meaning or context. People see 3% and think "hey, that's insignificant!" But when you're talking about delicate ecosystems with complex chemical balances, like the ocean for instance, 0.0003% can be significant.

Environmental science is highly complex, and I'm not saying that political figures or average people understand it -- but the ideas are not necessarily wrong because they come from people we dislike. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Every fools know that animals don't die out, they just become REALLY good at hiding.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Yeah! Global Warming isn't a fact! And only 99.9% of all scientists on Earth believe in it! Me, I'm going with that 0.1% that knows what they are talking about and are sponsored by BP, Chevron, and GM!]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
"humans only cause 3% of CO2 emmisions"

SIGH....Actually it's about 4%.....which is NOT insignificant.

You know what is even more significant? The fact that this 4%, combined with destroying the vast majority of last-based carbon-sink (things that absorb CO2 and store it - like forests) have led to an increase in atmospheric CO2 from ~285 ppm to the current >390ppm. That's a 36.8% increase in 110 years - which has NEVER EVER happened as far back as science can measure (which is many many millions of years).

I would talk about it more, but you, like most, need to do some basic research on biology and climatology before anything will get through to you.]]>Jul 29th 2010 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-01/uoia-ssa011609.php (Survey: Scientists agree human-induced global warming is real) is one source that disagrees with your statement, showing that of the entire body of scientists surveyed 90% believe that any warming is occurring. Depending on the exact sub-group of scientists you're talking about, the percentage that attributed that to human involvement ranged from 47% (petroleum geologists) to 97% (actively researching climatologists)

Fact check fail.]]>Jul 29th 2010 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Wow! I think you misunderstand him, he said that it's better to use trees to make products and not plastic, so he still helping Earth!

He didn't say "who cares about trees, kill them"

Earth is where you live, I don't see why people shouldn't take care of the planet. Taking care of tress and caring for Earth should more than a religion, is where we live after all...

Don't complain if a loved one of yours is born with asthma, you don't like trees, so you don't like oxygen.]]>Jul 29th 2010 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Don't blame yourself. The boys and Pen & Teller Bullshit do give a lot of good reasons for their claim. However, please do not come into a site with people who actually do research about things before they post and try to peddle your Showtime, pseudo-documentary knowledge.

P.S: I love P&T Bullshit. But like most of the people they make look stupid they are also wrong sometimes. This is of those occasions.]]>Jul 29th 2010 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 7:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
I would choose wood anyday. Plastics are by-products of oil and I guess there us plenty of that floating in the sea or mixed with soldiers' blood in the desert sand.]]>Jul 29th 2010 10:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/So global warming is a lie, just like the cake?]]>Jul 31st 2010 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
right... ]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Correct, and it actually costs more to recycle plastic than it does to start fresh. So yeah, using trees is actually "greener" than using plastic.]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Yep, cutting down old growth isn't really hurting anything. Making plastic is much worse for the environment.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Sure, I'd prefer recycled water bottles or some such material, but I'm not going to knock them for trying.
At least trees grow back. You can't put fossil fuels (or the toxins they emit) back into the ground but you can grow another tree.]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Use all the paper/wood you want! It actually ensures we have enough (too many possibly) trees!]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
I emailed her back with another fun factoid: For every 17 trees the paper companies use to produce a ton of paper, they plant 44 new trees. So recycling a ton of paper results in a net loss of 27 trees.]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Recycling is one of the biggest con jobs ever pulled.
The only case where recycling actually works is aluminum.
Plastics? Forget about it.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Actually, the majority of the big paper-product names still use wood pulp from clearcutting virgin forests - usually from brazil or somewhere similar where the land is left to dessertify.

Only the paper-products that state that 100% of their pulp comes from sustainably-managed forests actually replant the land they deforest.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Sigh....you can't make such general statements without actually knowing the facts.

It is true that recycling plastic is usually more energy intensive (depends on the plastic) than making new plastic. However, the benefit lies in the fact that you do not require any more fossil fuel from the ground. Obviously the caveat is that this assumes the energy for said recycling comes from renewable sources. So, this means that plastics recycling is much better than making new plastics in areas where a large portion of the energy comes from non-fossil fuel areas (E.G. Denmark). Once countries begin to get a larger proportion of their energy from non-fossil fuel sources, then recycling of plastics will definitely be preferred to making new plastics. ]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
I noticed you didn't bother to factor in the wasted energy and pollution to have double the amount of trucks driving around to pick up these "recycled plastic bottles." Everyone seems to leave this massive detail out. Before there was just one truck, the garbage truck driving around the neighborhood, now we have at least two. Factor in the diesel fuel, the labor to drive the trucks and maintain the trucks, the cost of the labor to sort out the bottles and all of the other recyclable materials.

It is a massive scam. As far as return on investment DoctarPeppar is correct, Aluminum is the only material that makes financial sense to recycle. The other materials cost more, and/or are way more harmful to the environment to recycle than the good they do. But, it sure makes people "feel good".]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
I "left it out" because I wrote a tiny paragraph on an issue that one could easily fill a book with. I didn't know I had to write out a formal analyses covering every externality. And yes, having those extra trucks does reduce the net gain/loss (depending, as I said above). However, do you think those garbage trucks are now driving around half-full because of recycling programs? No, they aren't - recycling reduces the amount of trash needed to be carried by those garbage trucks, thus far fewer garbage trucks (and land) are required to transport/store it. This in effect almost offsets the need for the recycling trucks because the same number of added garbage trucks would be needed to carry those recyclable goods to the landfill.

You also have to factor in that most waste-storage areas are MUCH further from major waste-producing areas than recycling facilities (E.G. Toronto ships much of its garbage to Michigan, while most of its recycling plants are within an 100km). This further offsets the added energy cost of the recycling trucks, making it a moot point.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/

BTW, I'm not saying that recycling plastics is amazing for the environment and people who don't should be chastised. I am just saying that it is not as clear cut as you nay-sayers make it out to be. There are many benefits of recycling plastics, despite it CURRENTLY taking more energy to recycle them than make new ones. For one, plastics (essentially) NEVER biodegrade. So those billions of tons of plastics produced each year will be here in a million years. Not to mention that our supply of oil is finite (most estimates say we have used roughly 50% of all the economically obtainable oil on the planet, and we will use the last 50% faster than ever.
]]>Jul 29th 2010 6:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Ummm...you don't think all those same chemicals aren't used to make the paper in the first place? For 99.9999999% of paper, it is.

The only way to avoid that is to buy the fibrous, beige/light brown unbleached paper that is still processed with toxic chemicals, just not as many as bleached paper.]]>Jul 29th 2010 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
the iWave website lists them as "Wooden Cases" if you go to the individual product page]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/
Is there a 'none of the above option'?]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Anyone who thinks so is a fucking moron.]]>Jul 29th 2010 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/less trees equals to less oxygen which equals to more Co2 which equals to more heat trap in the earth's atmosphere which equals to global warming.]]>Jul 29th 2010 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/how-many-trees-must-die-for-iwaves-earth-friendly-headphones-i/Jul 29th 2010 4:50PM