http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Ati has been ahead for quite a few cycles already, and the new "Fermi" being super delayed, super power hungry and cant even match old-gen Ati's hardware is just another nail..
why did nVidia keep making money anyway?
easier example, look at Apple.. marketing marketing marketing.]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Best part is, no matter which side you're on, the continuous competition makes sure that whatever you buy, you'll be getting some of the fastest video cards around. They'll do your rendering/ play video games like never before.

A winrar is YOU, Engadget reader, no matter witch you choose. To competition! *raises glass*]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Wtf are you smoking. 480 and 460 destroy tiger competition. The 270 280 and 290 destroyed everything from ATI last gen. Up until November year year. ATI has not held the house crown since the days of 7800]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Bah. Auto correct hates me. Made my comment even less readable than ny horrid spelling would of]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Are you serious Saber? Sure, Fermis were late. But they're twice as fast as ATI in DX11 and a good deal ahead everywhere else.

http://www.overclock.net/overclock-net-performance-computing-team/769079-comprehensive-gpu-showdown-fermi-vs-cypress.html

Regardless, I'm personally surprised a 1% lead is all ati could muster with a 6 month head start..]]>Jul 30th 2010 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
the numbers are very easy to understand and isn't subjective one bit. Why do people seem to get their information from comment posting fanboys?]]>Jul 30th 2010 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
While the GTX 480 is indeed faster than the 5870 and the 460 offers great price/performance it's a bold claim that those cards 'destroy' AMDs offerings.

Nvidia did retake the single GPU performance crown, though they did so barely and at a terrible cost. Indeed it won't take much to oust Nvidia from the top spot.

Much as I like both vendors there's no question AMD won this round.]]>Jul 30th 2010 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Same here, I agree.

ATI has had a pretty long headstart, and I am surprised that they didn't make at least a good 10-15% jump ahead of NVidia.

But I guess either way it doesn't matter. As long as the cards get more powerful then I don't really care about the business behind it.]]>Jul 30th 2010 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Head start?

By using that logic The Radeon 9800 should run circles around Fermi since it's got a 7 year head start. Newer architectures should always be better than older ones, that's why Fermi failed to impress despite technically re-taking the single GPU performance crown.]]>Jul 30th 2010 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Nvidia: OH SHIT!]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
While your statement is generally true, it doesn't really reflect the situation in discrete video cards for the last 6 months. There has been very little competition; ATI is in a completely dominant position.

ATI cards and Nvidia cards are priced competitively, but this is a function of the market and does not reflect the cost of production. ATI's profit per card must be considerably higher because of the time they put into the manufacturing process, the longer length of time they have been producing their cards, and the smaller size of their GPUs.

ATI apologized for the higher than expected cost of their cards this generation and explained that it was because of lower than expected yields. By now those yields surely have increased, but the prices have not come down because there has been very little pressure from Nvidia to decrease prices.

TL;DR
ATI won this round, but the consumer lost.]]>Jul 30th 2010 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
ATI is better on paper, but their drivers suck and nVidia always wins in real world tests.

I wish ATI would give nVidia some real performance competition, rather then just backroom deals with OEMs. ]]>Jul 30th 2010 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
You sir, shall now and always be down ranked to oblivion from that simple and ignorant comment. Please use one of the 2 great search engines out there and check for real world benchmarks and you shall see that the 3 of the top 5 spots are held by ATI. Better yet allow me to inform you!

http://service.futuremark.com/hardware

Have a good day, and don't forget to wear your helmet when leaving the house!]]>Jul 30th 2010 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
5970 right now has no competition from NVIDIA so it sits at the top, obviously, and is the best single PCI-E graphics card money can buy.

The rest of the comparisons are hard since most of the time, NVIDIA cards are 50 dollars more expensive.

GTX 480 vs. the 5870. GTX wins.
GTX 470 vs. 5850. GTX wins.
GTX 460 vs. 5830. GTX wins.

Who cares about the rest. We are only talking about high-end gamer cards.]]>Jul 30th 2010 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/whenever i use an nvidia driver on windows 7 i either get bluescreens or driver crashes. ati won that round too.
nvidia disabled all physx gpu accelerations for anyone that owns an ati card. that inludes using an nvidia card as a ppu. or using the old agea ppu, both are now controlled by the nvidia driver lockout.
i just found out nvidia disabled sli on older video cards. so i have an old gaming rig im trying to utalize, but cant use the 6800's in slie. BECASUE NVIDIA DISABLED IT. now, who wins in the driver department dude?]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 31st 2010 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 6:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 6:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
NVIDIA overhyped the Fermi to make it more than it ended up being which left a bad taste in everyones mouth, including mine. But that still isn't causing me to move to ATI. I want reliable drivers with my video card, and ATI is really flaky with drivers.]]>Jul 30th 2010 7:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Many who have a clue still throw out the driver issues ATI has had with their cards. Yet no one throws out the facts. Nvidia has issues as well tho not as severe and ATI has made leaps and bounds in its drivers. As long as they continue to improve upon their drivers and hardware simultaneously then Nvidia will be EXTREMELY hard pressed to take the lead gpu supplier role again. IMO]]>Jul 30th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
ATI just generally has more issues with their driver releases, which is admitted by you. That is enough to make me spend a measly 50 extra dollars for better performance (graphics performance) and admittedly more reliable drivers with an NVIDIA card. More heat and power draw except in the case of the GTX 460? Sure, but those are sacrifices i'm willing to make for better performance.]]>Jul 30th 2010 2:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/And nVidia deserved it, too, after *seriously* dropping the ball in the notebook GPU failure debacle that affected a huge number of mobile GPUs from two whole series. Do something stupid once, shame on the consumer, do the exact same thing twice, and in this scale, then shame, shame, shame be on the company. They lost a ton of credibility there, not only from the failures themselves, but from trying to cover it up and not doing nearly enough to rectify it. I'm never buying their products again.]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
*Cough* Go the reds!]]>Jul 30th 2010 5:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/That surprises me. People who've been intel hardware are usually weary of moving to amd. Even people I've built PC's for who know little about PC's get a funny face when I mention amd but when they see the performance in the end they're normally smilling :). It's just a shame that a stigma that shouldn't died in the 10 years ago is still around today.]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 6:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/The stigma disagreed during the catastrophe that was gibtel core duo. And spanked the evetliving hell out of gibtel until core 2duo. Sadly. Since then. Amd has not even cone close to the performance of their Intel counterpart. Although for the price of intels chips you could buy two Amd ones]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
well before I had my current rig I did run a AMD FX and ATI rig for many years, mostly cos I was a student and couldn't afford anything more but I loved it!

Then I went through that phase of "MUST HAVE MORE POWA" now I couldn't give two shits about having the highest end tech. The amount of PC games I want to play these days is so few and far between and what is out still seems to run on mostly max with my machine that's 4 years old O_o.

So next machine I'm either gonna go AMD+ATI or...get an iMac :P]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 5:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 5:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
It's good for the consumer (I bought two of those) but its just a desperate way to reduce the share loss... NV is losing money with every GTX460 sold.]]>Jul 30th 2010 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Intel is not enough competition...]]>Jul 30th 2010 5:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Oh Larrabee, where art thou?]]>Jul 30th 2010 5:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Dead shot killed nurtured ]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 5:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/I am happy with ATI so far. Tho i hope nVidia bounces back so we can have healthy competition.]]>Jul 30th 2010 5:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
I agree i havent had ati since the radion 9800 which was a beast at the time now it might be time to switch back into the red, if only my card would die and give me a reason. Damn evga for making quality nvidia cards.]]>Jul 30th 2010 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
Which is not cool, I don't mind either Nvidia or ATI though I generally stick to ATI but if Nividia don't pull their act together, ATI will have no reason to drop prices-_-

And ATI are rolling out their 6000 series end of the year plus not to mention the 5890 is coming!]]>Jul 30th 2010 5:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/
or*]]>Jul 30th 2010 5:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 5:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/Jul 30th 2010 6:07AM