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Sorry, can't hear you...must have held it wrong...

^_^]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
The real point of this article that we should all take is that even though Verizon has more data being used than ATT, their network isn't suffering any issues like ATT is. ATT=Sucks, no doubt about it. An iPhone on Verizon would be very welcome to many (not me personally, but some other sheep out there).]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
I think the point is that AT&T complain that unprecedented data usage on the Iphone is crippling their network yet these figures indicate Verizon handels more data no problem. ]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Was pretty hard to consume data when you couldn't multitask.]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/yea I wa gonna day they couldn't use it to consume bandwithd because they couldn't get a signal ]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/I didn't know there was something to win...]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Well since they're talking about averages, no it doesn't.]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Jonyah and Fais have it right. It has nothing to do with "winning", I can't seem to contain the urge to call you an idiot, but rather it shows how hard AT&T fails with there less data in less places network.]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
their*]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
He's right thought...I mean honestly this is the dumbest comparison to date.

1 Phone vs MULTIPLE Phones

Does anyone seriously doubt that if AT&T added in all the OTHER phones on its network that it's data usage wouldn't overtake Verizons?

This is just another dumb comparison. The iPhone (and AT&T by extension) still have the upper hand in this whole data usage debate. You can't compare 1 phone vs 100 phones and say that's fair...]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
As for AT&T, I have zero complaints about their service. I'm in Charlotte and they have their network here upgraded 3G HSUPA+. I'm averaging 4.5 to 5 mbps down and slightly over 1.2 mbps up! That's 4G type speeds. In fact, Sprint advertises average 4G speeds here between 4 and 6 mbps. Oh, and I have unlimited data (no cap) and I don't have to pay extra for the higher speeds. ]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/To be honest iPhone doesn't really y have apps the same way as android my
Phone is constantly checking for new post to notify me about half of my Widgets are refreshing on a 30min cycle so its obvious android phones will use more data then verizon ]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
They're not saying the combined usage of all Verizon's handsets is more than the iPhones' - They're saying that most of their smartphones are using more data than the typical iPhone per month.]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Do you understand the concept off an 'average'? I guess not.

No wonder you need a dumbed-down OS.

]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
another patronising reply scuppered by predictive text...]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
They are NOT saying that the total of Verizon phones are using more data than AT&T's, just that the *on average*, VW customers use more. That's not saying "the average VW user uses more than the average iPhone user", because that would be comparing two different types of people. The average VW Droid user went to VW because they couldn't "do" what they wanted on the iOS platform, where I'm sure the average (not "most") of iPhone users are happy with those "restrictions" (count me as one of the people who like to JB and have a free range of functionality on my iPhone). A lot of people wanted physical keyboards, and the iPhone never gave them that option. That was a HUGE turn off for a lot of my Droid user friends. A lot of people were stuck with VW from their old BBs and had to choose between ponying up the $350 per line or a phone that was comparable to Apple's offering. It's not that either platform is significantly BETTER, or that VW smartphones offer more and better ways to use your data.

I've used 6GB so far this month, and that doesn't include the hours of wi-fi use. AT&T hotspots at malls and public areas downtown get used when they are in range. So when I go to lunch, I see that the deli has AT&T wi-fi, and I get on no problem. A lot of users search out wi-fi locations, or even have gone out of their way to install it at their house, because the average user may not understand why 3G is as slow as it is. And yes, it's slow. When the average person goes from a desktop-class browser with high-speed internet to a mobile (albeit amazing) browser on 3G, they are probably going to get whiplash from the sudden slow down. Tethering my iPhone does not compare to the 16Mbps from Comcast at home, or the dedicated line at work. My wife thinks the 3GS is amazingly fast (but she's coming from a BB 8900 - no 3G).

And remember, this sample is only 20,000 people? There are more devices activated per day for both platforms.

Anyone who takes this crap to heart has serious issues.]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
It must be all the personal data google is stealing from the android fans........]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Seriously people, don't be so quick to bash Apple fans that you downrank those who you don't understand are mocking them. Read carefully AND THEN after you understand what they're actually saying, downrank them.

That said, this is nothing more than a typical Engadget, pro Apple piece.

"...given how much squalling we've heard from Ma Bell about this rampant iPhone data usage, WE'RE PLEASED to see a few facts that spin things the other way"

UGH...What has the world of tech journalism come to when they basically say with all smugness that they're happy print anything that's spun to make Apple look good, even if it absolutely ludicrous?!]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
I don't think it was sarcasm. I'm more worried that a substantial number of Engadget commenters appear to be unfamiliar with basic arithmetical terms.]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Give the people a better browsing experience and they will browse more.
]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Yes and the next time you plug your iPhone into a computer to sync with iTunes remember real smart phones don't have to do that.
Android uses more data than the iPhone because we have the wonders of internet sync and don't have to dance with iTunes in the pale moonlight.]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Dude, they're not talking about Apple at all. When they said they were "pleased to see a few facts that spin things the other way" they were talking about AT&T's constant bitching about how much data iPhone users consume and how it's so hard for them to keep up. Engadget is pleased to see that someone is calling them out on their BS, which is actually good tech journalism.]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
What we need are big picture numbers and not just bill snooping. ]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Again your missing the point it's not a question of the Iphone using more or less data it's about AT&T not being able to handle the data the Iphone does use.

AT&T always said their network problems lack of skype etc were due to Iphones using more data then other phones but to quote the article "average Verizon user eating up 421MB per month and the average iPhone user consuming 338MB ".

So basically AT&T has a bad network and it's not the iphone's fault.]]>Jul 30th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Engadget:

Why doesn't engadget tell us what percentage of their readers logon from an iPhone versus other smartphones. They don't have to tell us numbers, just percentages.]]>Jul 30th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
You also fail to realize that AT&Ts smartphone line is limited to some very basic androids with a much stronger focus in advertising for iPhones and messaging phones, and they and their consumers are very vocal about the impact of iPhones on their network, whereas verizon, with multiple smart phones that are data hungry is not receiving complaints from customers about their network and they are on a roll with their service.

AT&T has fewer subscribers, a smaller percentage of business users using 3G on their computers, and is vocal about their network being virtually crippled by a single phone.

AT&T service has gotten better, hell in San diego they've got a technically better network than verizon without the problems of new York or San francisco. And they've much improved their customer service.

Doesn't change how much data they move compared to other carriers or how much bad press they themselves have either generated or received about their network.

I for one do my part to bring that average of data usage up for smart phones on verizon. 4.2 GB last month on my incredible ftw :)]]>Jul 30th 2010 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/ATT has more smartphone users than Verizon though. This article does not say that Verizon is seeing more total data usage, just that their individual users each use less data than an iPhone user. Ex. 100 * 1.25 = 125 is less than 1000 * 1 = 1000. Even if each user uses more data than a competitor, if there are fewer users, then the network will have less data transferred than their competitor.]]>Jul 30th 2010 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Wrong. You need to reread it yourself. It doesn't say there is more data in total being consumed, it says there us more data average per smart device. You can't make any conclusions about carrier performance based on this info. ]]>Jul 30th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Not sure why Engaget keeps trying to bring up tiered plans for Verizon - maybe they are all still smarting from their iphone/at&t limitations. Anyway, I sent this in as a tip but it hasn't been posted yet.

Verizon CEO already confirmed that they will NOT be doing tiered data plans for 3g, although it might be an option for future 4g plans.

Read it for yourself here or at the source link: http://www.droid-life.com/2010/07/25/verizon-cfo-denies-tiered-3g-data-plans-are-imminent/]]>Jul 30th 2010 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
The idea that AT&T is a terrible useless network is kind of an urban myth or something. I've never had a dropped call on AT&T, not even with the iPhone 4 (which apparently needs a case to make calls), who knew.

There are a lot of people out there who have never even experienced AT&T, they just read a story about shitty service in high density areas like NY or SF and develop the impression it's like that everywhere. It isn't. Those problems seem to be specific to those two areas and the volume of usage there.

Either way, my iPhone 4 on AT&T works flawlessly. I'm satisfied with my unlimited data.]]>Jul 30th 2010 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 3:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
This only says that the average smartphone uses more data on Verizon. This says nothing about how many smartphones are on Verizon's network compared to how many are on AT&T's network. The fact is there are a crap load of iPhones which can easily attribute to the stress on AT&T's network even if they do use less data.

I still don't notice a problem with AT&T's data network. I get great speed, even in places like San Fransisco, which is said to be worst place on AT&T's 3G network, I get like 3.5mbps which is pretty damn fast.]]>Jul 30th 2010 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 30th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
You told me you would never let me down ...]]>Jul 30th 2010 6:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
1. Greater access to 3G on VZW than AT&T wireless;
2. Ability to use WiFI lowers AT&T subscribers' use;
3. Multitasking makes for more data access on VZW.

I'd like to see the details to learn whether Verizon's requirement for data, in place far longer than AT&T's, could be a factor in behavior; what the median use is (since high users will skew the average upwards); and if there's a geographic difference (the 3G bottleneck oft-mentioned in SF and NYC for iPhone users).]]>Jul 30th 2010 8:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/Jul 31st 2010 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Fail !

^_^]]>Jul 30th 2010 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
Its because the average iPhone user isn't using data intensive apps. Which is probably the reason AT&T changed their plans to make iPhone more affordable for people who just use email (200 mb per month).

I used to average 450MB per month because I listened to AOL RADIO for 3 hours a day.

Now, with the XM radio app, I'm using 150MB in just 2 days on iPhone 4. Fortunately, I have the unlimited data plan which AT&T let me keep when I upgraded.

Even though $30 a month is alot, for what I do with my phone, I'm definitely winning over those people who are new users stuck with 2GB per month or less.]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/For 26$, you get 500MB of data you can use as you please. After that, it's 44 cents per megabyte.
:D]]>Jul 30th 2010 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/validas-study-finds-verizon-smartphones-consuming-more-data-than/
THAT'S EXTORTION MAN.

Even apple's 2GB for $25 a month is better than that. Honestly, I'm not doing the math and I'm not counting MB... I GOT UNLIMITED DATA for $30 a month.

I'm gonna abuse it too...upload some videos.]]>Jul 30th 2010 1:09PM