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Not really. Yes, it's better than other Blackberries but this should have been released last year and then this year should have something a lot better. I mean, come on, half the resolution of what it should have been for the screen, and only a 624 mhz processor. RIM needed to come out with something that wow'd everybody and this phone is too little, too late. We can only hope that the new OS 6 will at least meet our expectations, if not surpass them, otherwise, RIM will be in danger of lossing A LOT of customers!]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/i think he means its dated in that its so thick in a world where phones keep getting thinner ]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
You read the whole article in 3 minutes? Doubtful.

It may be underpowered but it looks like it makes up for it in battery life, very important for the business person on the go. RIM has a very specific market and they serve them well. I'm not sure this review is done in the right mindset.]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 4th 2010 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 4th 2010 9:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
I have to wonder, how is "The OS is far more polished than the last version" a Pro, when the OS still lacks a lot of polish?]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Look at the CPU, screen resolution, video recording, and overall design. Its dated when RIM needs a high end phone to compete with the iPhone and high end android phones. This is midrange at most.]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
after playing with our non working demo at work (and yes i know it is not the real device) the actual hardware feel cheap next to other devices that AT&T offer such as the Captivate or iPhone 4. The biggest problem I had with the device is how large it is. Its really thick and when extended its a full inch longer than my iPhone 4.

For RIM's sake I hope that the new OS is really good cause if not, I see a lot of people jumping ship for an Android device or an iPhone]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 4th 2010 9:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Josh Topolsky has said repeatedly that he loves the portrait slider form factor. I believe he's made reference to his anticipation of the materialization of the Dell Lightning. What's not fair is one of the leading smartphone manufacturers spitting out a slightly modified version of their same old hardware and expecting it to compete with the innovative handsets competitors are building. Unfortunately, it will--because it's a Blackberry.]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
The one thing I'm really mad at RIM about is how they hyped their new devices to be "revolutionary". If they had not said they were bringing in some game changers, I would not have been so disappointed.

But I'm sure it's still a decent, solid smartphone.]]>Aug 4th 2010 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
Did you also notice how heavy it was? I thought it was too heavy. I think one good fall would destroy it...]]>Aug 4th 2010 10:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 4th 2010 10:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 4th 2010 10:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
Dear RIM,

You dun goofed up. Most loyal Blackberry users (and most people these days) just wanted to be able to carry around one device that does it all. You'd be surprised the amount of Blackberry users that carry around a second device, that in most cases is a iPod Touch. Why? Because it can browse the web, that's the reason in most cases.

RIM... all we wanted you to do was nail web browsing, like, really nail it. I've seen web sites talking about the 9800 and then now mentioning "RIM's gonna blow our minds in Q1 2011!!"... what? Are you effing kidding me? Nope, this was the time to shine and you blew it. You know how to design, the outer hardware of the device looks great but the screen size and insides (low RAM, processor, resolution) just doesn't cut it.]]>Aug 4th 2010 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Well put. With half assed attempts like this, I guess its no supprise that RIM is going down. Canada, the one good thing you produced is dead.]]>Aug 4th 2010 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 4th 2010 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
In the world of Blackberrys only, this device is the bitch-slayer.

In the world with everything else, it is the bitch.]]>Aug 4th 2010 10:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Imagine how this OS is going to look the considerably smaller displays on devices like the 9670 (you know; the aesthetically challenged calmshell) or the predecessor to devices like the Curve. It takes A LOT for an OS to jive on smaller displays. God help them.

]]>Aug 4th 2010 10:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 4th 2010 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/THIS IS A CRAP!!!!
i still can't understand how RIM is having a big market share in US and the world]]>Aug 4th 2010 11:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
When I saw that picture for the media player, I was literally laughing out loud.]]>Aug 4th 2010 11:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
It was heavy for sure]]>Aug 4th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 12:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
Problem is that RIM is one of the old players and has a huge legacy to cater for like Nokia and hence couldnt stray off the old path too much.

If they want to compete in the consumer high end, they need to create a new UI for that market bit like Nokia did with Maemo.

Im sure this will do well with current users but cant see it grabbing any new market share.. maybe just stopping the slide is enough for now.]]>Aug 5th 2010 12:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 12:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
he said he liked the idea of a portrait slider... it's even in the pros. did you even glance at that review? ]]>Aug 5th 2010 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Actually i'd say it was done in the right mindset, because RIM is really trying to convince the regular consumers that Blackberry is the phone they want/need. They're trying to compete with Apple and Google. I mean they're not trying to get more corporate users, because why would they? lol those corporate ppl are already either BB addicts, or need to use one since that's what their workplace requires. Since RIM is trying to get into the consumer game, they need to excel at the things that the iPhone and Android does in order to beat them. I mean, why else would a consumer choose a BB over an iPhone or Android phone?]]>Aug 5th 2010 1:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 1:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 1:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
You bring up a great point, legacy. RIM has a large legacy behind them, as just like Nokia, which makes it hard for them to break away from their "standard OS" and make something fresh and new like a Palm or WP7.

But lets be real for a moment a look at a few things. Keeping in mind RIM has to keep this familiar for their huge already-existing user base, what do any of these things have to do with legacy?

- faster processor
- more space for apps (the OS and apps share the same space so you really only have half of 512MBs for apps, mix that in with memory leaks = hell)
- larger resolution
- larger screen (3.2 inches? WTFFFFFFFFFFFF)
- wifi hotspot capabilities

Adding ALL of these things would not have affected RIMs legacy users one little bit, not at all. They could have done it all and kept the UI the same, I don't care what anyone says. Just wanted a smooth Blackberry experience, alas..... here we are.

Hope someone from RIM reads this, that's my final wish. Gonna go get the Captivate tomorrow, held out long enough.]]>Aug 5th 2010 2:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Same... I never would have bought it anyway (BBS aren't my style), but I was at least hoping for something relevant. Improvements are always welcome but with all the amazing devices in/hitting the market, RIM just might be RIP soon... (at least in my eyes).]]>Aug 5th 2010 2:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
Just another nail in RIM that everyone forgets about as most people don't have a need to tether.]]>Aug 5th 2010 3:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 6:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 6:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
Answer: Nothing. It's running 2007 hardware in 2010, with an OS that's hardly a revamp. It should have been $99, at most.]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
For everyone else complaining about the 624mhz processor, mhz isn't everything, did we learn nothing from intel vs amd? look at the core i3, 5 ,7's, my laptop is running a i7 cpu that is a ghz and a half slower than my 5 year old desktop, do you really think my 6 month old laptop is the slower machine i have? It's all about efficiency per clock cycle

RIM covets 3 things above all else: Stability, Messaging and Battery Life. Yes, it may take a BB 2 minutes to load up, but if it can go months between reboots, who cares? I'd take that over an iPhone crashing once a week, and booting in 20 seconds. The Battery, if they had added a screen with resolution to match the iPhone and a 1ghz cpu, they would have got battery life like an iPhone. ]]>Aug 5th 2010 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/I think RIM is already gone down and their end will be very bad, I has a storm and I will not buu a blackberry ever never again]]>Aug 5th 2010 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
The UI doesn't look good either.

They'll get the message when their marketshare takes a massive hit. It's not our problem really, the market works itself out this way.]]>Aug 5th 2010 8:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
only good thing about Blackberry is BBM ! yup, I said it.]]>Aug 5th 2010 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/Aug 5th 2010 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/
"months between reboots." That made me laugh, remembering how frequently had to pull the battery on my curve and tour to keep them running properly. I also recall that a "battery pull" app with an option to schedule a nightly reboot to keep things running well was one of the most popular apps in app world. ]]>Aug 5th 2010 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/

I WANT A PORTRAIT SLIDER QWERTY ANDROID PHONE PLEASE.


Seriously, it's the perfect form factor, and Android's the best OS around right now. Make it happen, hardware vendors.]]>Aug 5th 2010 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/I agree. I am a most loyal BlackBerry user. I am also a mod (under another name that I'll not reveal, on Crackberry).

I was desperately hoping that RIM would produce a real trailblazer with OS6. Alas it is not to be.

The 9800 Torch looks far too big and clunky. One good drop and you'll be oicking up multiple pieces.

I shall wait before making a decision to actually use a 9800 and, of course, I shall avidly read what my colleagues and members on CrackBerry have to say. However from reading the article, I am already thinking that my next phone will not be a BlackBerry and that makes ne sad. very sad.

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