http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/ Engadget Comments for Google Wave flatlines: no plans to further develop standalone product, future is in other Google services http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
So it goes.]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
But of course the ONE thing they make that is getting permanently shut down had to be named after something from FIREFLY.

Goddamn.]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/


HAHA.

Yeah, their stock price is REALLY showing how much they suck sir.

Trading at 506 is REALLY showing their demise ]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
WTF are you talking about....you sir are on crack!!]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
To be fair, Wave likely wasn't a $1 billion disaster like KIN was.]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Ah. Okay now, time to wake up little boy from your little fantasy. :)]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Google doesn't need all of it's products the be the best. it's enough that it has a semi-significant hand in a TON of different pies.

for example, android may only be succeeding through Buy 1 get ones, but that wasn't enough for Palm. It's because there's a ton of android phones out that this succeeds.

yes, google search has been declining for months, but for how many years has it remained #1? it still has a market share that's a TON better then anything else around.

Google Voice just went public like a month ago and you wanna declare it a giant failure? that's a bit pre-mature]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Hi. I have a policy of not wanting absolute wankers attached to my posts.

Please desist from posting, break your hands or die in a fire.

Thank you.]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Looking back at the comments from the May 19th public beta, this guy totally called it:

@bjsguess

"I use Wave a lot for collaboration. Haven't experienced the lag issues that you noted.

Wave is a solid tool with some pretty major issues still. My guess is that the technology behind Wave will be useful in the future, but the app itself will fade off into the sunset. "]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Can't win'em all]]>Aug 4th 2010 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" -- Mahatma Gandhi.

I agree with most of what you say except for Android, which is a worthy product and is a success beyond anyone's dream (if market share is to be used as a metric). I like iPhone better but Android is fine by me (not so much the disparaging and condescending Android fans though I wish they f**king died).

]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 6:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
1 trick pony

1 Very successful maps application
1 Very successful email client
1 Extremely successful search engine
1 Extremely successful ad services
1 Extremely successful phone OS
1 Extremely successful browser
1 Extremely successful video site (bought-out but well maintained)

Not to mention 1 successful blogging application, 1 successful purchasing gateway, 1 successful translator

Should I keep going?

Google Wave has shown off some AMAZING things, but it simply wasn't integrated enough to Email to be viable yet. But in year, the technology will be adopted. And you really can't deny that they proved to be the first at creating that technology.

]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
1) Google Voice isn't supposed to kill the telephone, it is an enhancement to the telephone.
2) Android OS is currently selling handsets at a higher rate than BlackBerry OS, the first time in YEARS BlackBerry isn't number 1.
3) Who uses AIM anymore?
4) Orkut did very well in some countries other than the U.S.
5) Google innovates plenty. See Microsoft's move into the cloud for everything. Google's push to the Cloud was the first major push, a push that an entire industry has followed.]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
you can add Google Checkout to the list. I remember lots of tech media and tech geeks predicting that it would kill PayPal.
]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Or more specifically, I didn't understand what I was supposed to be accomplishing with it that I couldn't already do with existing tools.]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/A product doesn't need to kill another product to be successful. Google wave was an innovative product. What killed Wave was that it was so different from how we ordinarily communicate. And customers will rarely take the time to form new habits whether or not they would benefit from it. ]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/When you do acquisitions at Google's rate, it's impossible for all of them to be homeruns. If one out of five, or one out of then is a homerun, then it's all good. You still get to keep the talent you acquired.

Now I know Wave wasn't an acquisition, but it's the same. Like other mentioned the IP will be used in other products.

The only semi valid point the troll is bringing, is that Google revenues are something like 98% from advertising. It needs to be able to monetize other services. But even then, they don't need to if they can fuel the advertising growth with Android, Google TV, books, places, etc.

Remember kids, don't feed the Trolls!
]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Do you understand how surveys work? They acquire data from a large enough number of people to show significant trends. From the large amount of data analyzed, the p-value that they acquired was likely much much less than 0.05, especially with 5% more sales than the nearest competitor. Even if they had a p-value of 0.05 (an EXTREMELY high estimate), that would mean that there is a 95% likelihood that Google does sell significantly more handsets than its nearest competitor. Learn some statistics before refuting surveys, they are surprisingly valid.]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Yeah, look at any other tech company and tell me that they sell their shares at as high a price, please do so because there might be one but I know Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco, Dell, HP, Facebook and anyone else I can think of is nowhere near google. You sir, dont know much about stocks." - I tried my best]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Stock price isn't reflective of a company's success...

Apple's worth multiple times more than Microsoft yet has a similar market cap. ]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Aug 4th 2010 6:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/npd-android-is-now-top-selling-os-in-american-smartphones/]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
...and another thing. You are a moron get a job or something. You have been banned more than drugs in the 70's!]]>Aug 4th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
I would not be surprised to see some elements of Wave in future google misadventures (e.g., "google me")

]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/To be honest, it seemed like a glorified AIM to those who didn't really grasp what it was capable of.]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
First off, Chrome is 16.7% of the browser shares
And yes, based on Q1!!!! Android is at 9% of market share and outselling everyone. Q2 is bound to be much higher. And 9% is not insignificant. Thats like saying that Apple is an insignificant player in the Desktop market.]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Actually according to w3schools Chrome is the second largest browser used to Firefox (owning 46.4%)

IE 6-7 are simply used on corporate computers or by people that are simply too old to discover tabbed browsing so IE 8 is the only one I would count towards consumer browsers.

]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Also, getting cancelled doesn't mean it wasn't successful in some means. I guarantee that this experiment will result in a number of new features that will be popping up in Google's other products. Useful New Features - Success.]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
You're kidding me, right? A Gandhi quote to use FOR a troll? He consistently bad-mouths Google for no apparent reason. You're seriously arguing that we should "feed the troll"? WTF?

This guy has been banned multiple times. We ignore him because we know this.

And then 2 or 3 people refute him. Which doubly refutes everything he says.]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Another fail, suck it Google! Now only if Wave could take Assdroid with it too. ]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Lol, you call me the fanboy for actually using real numbers gathered by people, and you then provide NO information on where you found this 5% share that I assume you made up.

But one thing that was VERY wrong with your statement is the IE shares. Its not because people dont seek new browsers commonly, Firefox is still highly used on most counters. But IE has a large share because of its corporate stance. Anyone that works along side computers knows that most corps dont let people install new browsers and are all running on XP preinstalled with IE 6 or 7 (based on what server pack they install)

But regardless, its still number 3. Number 2 on "replaced browser" so how is that NOT a successful browser?

Congratulations Mr Google Hater, you have no real merit to your comments.

5% is not represented in ANY poll you will find. Lowest you will find is 9% and 3rd ranked browser no matter where you go. Safari being no higher than 6%, Opera no higher than 4%.




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Perhaps the phrase for him should be "First they ignore you, then they downrank you, then they refute you into oblivion, then you get banned, and finally you come back as a new troll."

I mean seriously. Why are you legitimizing a known troll? And how the hell did you get highest ranked?]]>Aug 4th 2010 7:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Ranking system on this site AMAZES me on how much it changes.

On Apple threads especially, one day everything pro-google gets downranked, next day, everything pro-apple gets downranked.

Then Lord Vader comes in and slides his hands and auto downrankes everyone. ]]>Aug 4th 2010 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
You see it too, right? Tell me I'm not going insane. Please tell me that he is a complete moron for defending a known troll that has been banned...what is it....6 times now?.....WITH A GANDHI QUOTE???]]>Aug 4th 2010 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/

why bury this comment. kin was indeed around 200 mill and the man is stating a fact...why bury his comment when kin is compared to wave by the OP?]]>Aug 4th 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
As it seems, sir, neither do you. While share price is nice, it's really a joke. If tomorrow Google chopped each share into 10 shares, and kept everything else the same, you know what would happen to their share price? It'd go down by 90%. Do you know what would happen to the value of the company? It'd stay the same. Share price is a meaningless number by itself.

All that said, Google has great a great *market capitalization* and growth prospects compared to it's industry. But between your writing style and your lack of knowledge, you sir, might be in the same boat as the guy you replied to. ]]>Aug 4th 2010 8:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
"it pisses them off when i remind them of cold hard facts, how the g1 looked like a brick., how androids UI is still horribly ugly, etc"

You realize that those "cold hard facts" are opinions right?

I think the G1 was a great phone when it came out, I also love the Google UI.

Sorry but I think you are the one getting pissed off when people show you the REAL facts that Google is outselling other smartphones, and chrome is actually growning market share daily, etc.

Sorry, but your fanboy talk makes you sound a lot like one yourself.

@Mike10010100

And yes, you are insane, but your right on this point :P]]>Aug 4th 2010 8:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Yeah, just keep talking about first generation devices. Man the iPhone original sucked. No 3G, no gyroscope, no copy/paste, no multitasking.

Oh, wait. We don't live in 2006 any more.

Android has made huge improvements, it's UI is NOT ugly, it's extremely fast (with 2.2) and is quickly gaining marketshare.

YOU deal with the facts.]]>Aug 4th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/Oh, sorry I forgot. You're not an Apple fanboy. You're a WINDOWS PHONE 7 fanboy. The OS that hasn't even come out yet.

In that case, while we're talking about ancient hardware, let's talk about Windows Mobile 6.5 on my HTC Mogul. It was slow, clunky, ugly, extremely static, and no potential for growth. That's why they threw it out the window and hoped that Windows Phone 7 will redeem them in the eyes of the consumer.

Your original numbers for marketshare were WRONG. You are wrong and nobody should be legitimizing you, not even JojoMojo.]]>Aug 4th 2010 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/it's not about programming or market share. google is primarily an advertising company; ironically, one that is pretty terrible at marketing. "build it and they will come" only works for baseball fields.]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/google-wave-flatlines-no-plans-to-further-develop-standalone-pr/
Thanks lelander for using my quote!

I stand by that statement. I ended up using Wave quite a bit in collaboration projects with folks off-site. It definitely did the job but there were too many issues with the product to become widely adopted by average consumers.

The concept is great. The technology behind it is great. I could absolutely see integration of some of the technology into Gmail. That could be a real feather in the cap for Google. Another way to differentiate itself from other web based email providers.]]>Aug 4th 2010 9:06PM