http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/ Engadget Comments for Microsoft's Kinect patent application goes public, reveals gobs of fine print http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/nice copy and paste from gizmodo]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/haha: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Microsoft+has+taken+3D+depth-mapping+technology+that+typically+costs+$10,000+to+$150,000,+and+made+it+at+volume,+for+cheap.]]>Aug 5th 2010 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
Microsoft has taken 3D depth-mapping technology that typically costs $10,000 to $150,000, and made a really cheap version, where you cant sit to use it, you cant wear long skirts you cant stand too close together.. It only works with 2 people at a time.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v01bm9iLtAI

There you go corrected it for you.. ]]>Aug 5th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 8:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
Such a burn! Because it would totally be worth it if you could still sit for $10,000.

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Niceeeeeeeeee, wow, I like that!!]]>Aug 5th 2010 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
If you were to look at it from another angle you could say the kinect is the eyetoy 2.0 with really badly implemented skeletal modelling that requires you to stand 15 foot away, have each person a foot away from each other.. With no ability to sit, to not wear anything too dark or baggy and to face the camera at all times and most importantly have no one else get in the way .. This is of course the glass half empty look at it, my earlier one was the glass half full..

I cant be bothered to give the completely flail version, but it ultimately just needs these to demonstrate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIq1vnKZxIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj0nWnF2jIY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNgzpoagbHs

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I can't speak to the other points, but you -can- sit and use it...so I'm going to go ahead and assume you sourced your other bits of knowledge similarly...]]>Aug 5th 2010 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/07/kinect-kind-of-compatible-with-push-ups/

"As I lowered my body I kept my head raised so I could see the TV. My head, shoulders, arms and hands still seemed to be tracked accurately. The top half of my stick figure self had lowered itself to the floor. But my legs and its legs did not match. My legs were behind me, extended for a push-up. The stick figure’s legs dangled below the stick figure’s torso, as if fallen through a hole in the floor....I don’t know what to make of the leg-dangling thing and wonder if that is a hint to the Kinect’s limitations. Can the Kinect not read body parts that recede into depth, away from where they started in the standing position? Or can it just not understand a full body whose joints are not stacked more or less in the vertical order of a standing person.

The Kinect’s limits continue to have me scratching my head and leave me eager to see Microsoft demonstrate a Kinect used in more postures than upright standing."

Are those 2 articles enough ? Microsoft have said they will add experiences where you can sit (ie controlling tv hopefully), but none of the games can be played sitting down..

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/08/kinect-doesnt-like-it-when-models-stand-too-close-to-each-other/ -- Also just fyi watch this..

All of my negatives I can provide hard evidence for, I am not just pulling them out of thin air..

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I watched one of the videos but it was so utterly pointless, revealing nothing, that didn't bother with the others.

>With no ability to sit

As pointed out this is Wrong and it calls into question where you get your information besides oddball youtube videos.

"Microsoft has clarified that Kinect is very capable of recognizing a user that's sitting, an aspect of the new tech that continues to be a point of confusion. "Kinect can be used while sitting when an experience is developed with sitting in mind," a representative for the company confirmed to Joystiq today."

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/07/kinect-software-will-work-with-seated-players/

Of course I'm sure you know better. Ultimately your point is that it cannot do as well as a $150,000 version? Um, okay. Uh, you win!]]>Aug 6th 2010 12:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
"As for previously revealed Kinect applications that are being developed with a seated user in mind, Microsoft pointed to navigating the Dashboard, along with using the ESPN, Zune and Video Kinect apps as "experiences where we expect people to be sitting." Same joystiq link..

Any sign of games being played while sat down ? Nope experience does not mean playing games, it means navigating the dashboard, and video chatting.. If they cant get that basic functionality to work seated they will have serious problems.

Currently none of it works seated, read the kotaku links for proof and that's that really, feel free to prove me wrong, find 1 video link showing some one actually sitting down and playing a kinect game.. Better yet, show me 1 video where the dashboard is being controlled with some one sitting down ... ]]>Aug 6th 2010 1:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Just be quiet. He lectured you and you still yap about things you know nothing about]]>Aug 6th 2010 1:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 6th 2010 1:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
If you think you need to be standing to play a serious racing sim, you're seriously mistaken. It's about having something where you can sit, so while you might not be able to play: sports, platforming, action and some other genres, you'd be able to play: puzzles (ok, not hardcore, but they can be quite fun), racing, simulation (civilization revolutions, simcity) and plenty of others and maybe some titles that *revolutionize gaming* similar to what accelerometers, gyroscopes, motion controllers, augmented reality and other developments in gaming of the past 10 or so years. ]]>Aug 6th 2010 1:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 6th 2010 2:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://kotaku.com/5605936/

Can we drop this whole argument now? And argue upon something a bit more profound - like the price.]]>Aug 6th 2010 5:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
Then again, I'm not a patent lawyer.]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/I'd say this guy is playing Wii Sports ^^]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
Unless it's a 5 year-old with an abnormally small head.]]>Aug 5th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
That's what she said!!!... wait a second...


But seriously, that's a enormous box. ]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Either that, or a tiny person.]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/

















*comparatively bigger XBox*]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
HA! HA! HA!

...Not to scale...]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
When is the Kinect coming out??? I can't wait to spend hours playing charades in front of my TV!

]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Do you have to wear a baseball cap backwards to play Kinect or will forwards work as well?

]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghk0twrrPi4]]>Aug 5th 2010 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 11:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 5th 2010 11:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 6th 2010 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
"Kinect can be used while sitting when an experience is developed with sitting in mind" ..

An "experience" is developed with sitting in mind.. Not a game an experience, please understand the wording..

Now go back to the kotaku articles above and read them for yourself, but to give you a quote from one:

"UPDATE: A Microsoft spokesperson told me after the publication of this article that the company is certain that Kinect gesture control will work for movies, ESPN and other "entertainment" features before the sensor is launched. As I originally reported, that is not an implemented feature yet. The spokesperson was not able to provide any update on the Kinect's tolerance of a person who sits while playing games."

That about summarises it, I guess Kotaku are an unreliable source as well right ? Why has their been absolutely no demos shown with people sitting.. The only hint of a person sitting has been 1 girl in the video chat in e3 2010 and she wasn't in front of the audience.. They wouldn't even let the Kotaku staff sit down to control the video / playback functionality, but they have promised they will get that working before launch..

I suggest you read the kotaku articles and get back to me...]]>Aug 6th 2010 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Holy flippin cow! That's a lot of time and effort just to hate on a product my friend. It's not like anyone really gives a damn buddy so you might wanna get to something a little more productive.

But sadly, probably not. ]]>Aug 7th 2010 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 6th 2010 1:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 6th 2010 4:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 6th 2010 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/Aug 6th 2010 7:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/microsofts-kinect-patent-application-goes-public-reveals-gobs/
The movie "Johnny Mnemonic" comes to mind as an example of this as regards gestures, etc. to cause a computer to do something. I'm sure other examples are available, even as recently as the movie "Avatar"

Come on Microsoft--the ideas and implementation are not new, just the equipment to implement it might be.]]>Aug 6th 2010 8:00AM