http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/ Engadget Comments for Keepin' it real fake: Nokia's Android N8 http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Depends on the price, this thing could very well get into the $300-400 range. Don't presume all KIRF's are cheap.
I remember an HTC MAX 4G KIRF that cost $439:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/24/keepin-it-real-fake-part-clxxvii-hto-hd-satisfactorily-apes-t/
Specs there weren't too shabby either. (For the time)]]>Aug 6th 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Yeah, sure, this piece of crap will fall apart in about a month or two. I better wait for the real thing.]]>Aug 6th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/CPU is last gen rockchip, I forget the clock but its underpowered]]>Aug 6th 2010 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO1KYoITdJ4]]>Aug 6th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/
Please describe to me the things Android does better than Symbian or, alternatively, why you think Symbian is worse than Android to the point where it's 'shitty'.

Hint: Don't confuse a UI with an OS because that would be daft.]]>Aug 6th 2010 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/
On a smathphone the UI is what makes a phone. I would care less whether it runs some bastard version of linux, windows or mac os. If the UI is fluid and intuitive the phone is a winner. OS only matters to devs who further enhance the user experience. The UI is what made windows mobile 6 horrid. But symbian seems to be catching on with modern fluid UI's..]]>Aug 6th 2010 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/"said poor, not shitty. Why would I separate UI from OS?"
Well, because the UI is a simple affair to design. Its usually done by artists, not engineers, because its an art project less than something techical.

Also, in Symbian^4 onward, the UI is totally customizable, so it can look however you want it using the Qt UI Toolkit. You may see HTC with Symbian devices that mirror the UI of Sense on Android, and the Qt UI Toolkit makes that possible. That is part of what Nokia has been working on the last few years.

You may be willing to put the UI above technical merits, but that would be a foolish endeavor for a computing platform. You assume the underpinnings and infrastructure don't matter, but that is exactly what decides how good and complex a breed of apps will appear. Notice how iOS' apps all had limitations when they didn't have multitasking. Now they've added some APIs to the background to cover it up, but the fact remains, they're still too inefficient to allow full real time multitasking, so plenty is still impossible for iOS apps.

Once the UI's of the competition catches up, which is has, all OSes will be judged by the internals. The iPhone's UI is better than Windows 98, but guess which has the capability to support more cutting edge software and features? Think about it. I doubt you'll run Nuendo, ProTools, or Photoshop on your iOS device in the same manner as Win98, because its not ready. Now ask the same for Symbian and MeeGo....

"It may be that symbian has very good underlaying OS structure (although it had very poor multitasking management last time I had one),"
Symbian was the leader in multitasking prowess, and always has been. WebOS and MeeGo are better now, but WebOS' task manager doesn't allow you to see much at a glance. But I always ran 12-25 apps at once on my N95 back in 2007-2008. Maybe you should revisit Symbian, and realize that hardware has an effect on multitasking.

"but this is pointless if you deliver a poor user experience. Compering, say, N97 to the iPhone or a modern Android device makes you think if these were made in the same century. Fingers crossed Nokia can manage to find its way in the future!"

N97 was underpowered for RAM, since it was supposed to arrive with support for virtual RAM but didn't. Big mistake for them, and it cost them. But Symbian supports virtual RAM now. And the N97? It STILL multitask in real time, not pausing and selectively using a few APIs in the background. So the N97 trumps the iPhone for multitasking. Two different animals. ]]>Aug 6th 2010 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/
The N97 is a shit phone. That doesn't mean Symbian is shit especially as it doesn't even use Symbian^3, rather a version of Symbian^1.

Symbian remains a very powerful, lean OS. The UI needed quite a lot of work and, from what I can see of S^3, that appears to have happened.

Will it be as smooth and as intuitive as the iPhone or HTC Sense? Probably not but I think that it'll be close enough that no-one will really care.]]>Aug 6th 2010 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/The N8's main feature is the 12 mp camera. So, you basically outshone your intelligence if you seriously think of wasting even a dime on this knockoff. If you're talking about OS, who cares about Android when you compare it to MeeGo goodness, which will be coming courtesy the N9. My personal choice is between either the N8 or the N9; the N8 for the awesome, monster camera and cool colors, while the N9 for MeeGo and the best internet and gaming experience on a phone. ]]>Aug 6th 2010 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 8:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Agreed and I'm not saying it's better or anything but this KIRF phone is more relevant to me than the original.]]>Aug 6th 2010 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Again, a pretty dumb and moot argument. The MAIN feature of the N8, for most observers and people with brains (obviously sans OS fanboys [*really*?]), is the massive, monster 12 megapixel camera, which features the biggest sensors ever seen in a smartphone. So, if you think that's irrelevant, then why not buy some other nameless, soulless Android phone? If you're talking about UI experience, then obviously MeeGo trumps all in that department; the N9 will be the best internet and gaming phone on the market. Moreover, Symbian S^3 hasn't even been released, so why this negative, prejudiced bias when you haven't seen or experienced it? Seriously, this belies common sense. ]]>Aug 6th 2010 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Again, a pretty dumb and moot argument. The MAIN feature of the N8, for most observers and people with brains (obviously sans OS fanboys [*really*?]), is the massive, monster 12 megapixel camera, which features the biggest sensors ever seen in a smartphone. So, if you think that's irrelevant, then why not buy some other nameless, soulless Android phone? If you're talking about UI experience, then obviously MeeGo trumps all in that department; the N9 will be the best internet and gaming phone on the market. Moreover, Symbian S^3 hasn't even been released, so why this negative, prejudiced bias when you haven't seen or experienced it? Seriously, get a brain or two. ]]>Aug 6th 2010 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/hardware choice is a big deal. Look at the HTC Hero/Eris. It shows Android isn't strong on that hardware. Imagine with this junk...]]>Aug 6th 2010 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Let's just hope the Symbian ^3 UI on the real N8 is smooth and responsive.]]>Aug 6th 2010 9:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/
Check YouTube. It's exceptional.]]>Aug 6th 2010 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/
It is. "..throws in an upgrade of its own by going with a higher-res 800 x 480 capacitive panel"]]>Aug 6th 2010 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/lol]]>Aug 6th 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Unless you have had one of these apart and compared the quality of components in it to a legitimate n8... I'd have to say shut the hell up.
Does the phone HAVE to have warranty? I don't know about that. And how hard would it be to flash the phone back to its original OS? Naught.

I would bet that Nokia, and whoever manufactured this phone get all the accessory plug ins (HDMI port etc...) at the same place.
]]>Aug 6th 2010 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/In Russia we have tons of thes KIRFS sold out in little outlelt stores - and they are very cheap, but they fall apart almost in hours, they loose GSM signal, they loose batery power very qiuck etc.
So shut your hole, and listen to people who have laid their hands on stuff before you. ]]>Aug 6th 2010 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/
Plus of course that beautiful camera with huge sensor, xenon flash and carl zeiss optics and graphics chip that leaves Droid X and Evo 4G in the dust...

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&D1=Nokia%20N8&D2=Apple%20iPhone%204&D3=HTC%20Evo%204G&D4=Motorola%20Droid%20X ]]>Aug 6th 2010 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Seriously - waiting for your meeting with such chinese crap, don't look amazed finding bluetooth 1.0, which is not functional.]]>Aug 6th 2010 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/Aug 6th 2010 10:50AM