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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[Well that one goes out to all those who yelled at the beginning "WHAT NO YOUTUBE?"...<br>I am surprised how many people believed Microsoft wouldn't bring out a dedicated Youtube app.<br><br>I think MS is still keeping quite some surprises secret for launch day.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[hq]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 6:57AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@hq <br><br>Windows Phone 7 will be a success. Mark my words, it will.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Revolutionary]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:20AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[If only WP7 succeeded as much as Kin failed... That'd be massive.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[loocas]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:40AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Revolutionary  Agreed.  I think the first 6-12 months may be a bit rough, but I think long term there will be a great adoption rate... And certainly no flash out of existence like the Kin. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:43AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Revolutionary  I dont know, against the likes of android and iphone. I think they both have all the cases covered to be honest and they have both made a name for themselves. It will be hard to bring such a bad piece of kit to such a competitive market, ie. no multitasking being the big one, no proper notification system being a close second]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[dagetz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:45AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Revolutionary  <br><br>I hope not. I wish it would die just like the Kin.<br>I'm rooting for MeeGo, it's headed in the best direction but needs to speed up more.<br>I hope MeeGo (smartphones) is *better* than Froyo and easy to flash on old devices (like Touch Pro) and then I hope developers flock to it instead of WP7.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Kangal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 8:10AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Revolutionary  <br>Unless it can lower its required hardware, it won't be that successful. It will survive and have support, but the minimum costs to create a device put it in the $425+ market, which isn't a very large piece of the pie.<br><br>Apple will rule that space for the foreseeable future, thought Nokia will be re-encroaching with both Symbian on a small scale AND MeeGo on a bigger end, while Android has already made a mighty dent in that sector, and that portion of the smartphone market will never be larger than 20-25% of the total global market. It actually may be less.<br><br>WP7 will also need to really impress the enterprise market. It will easily do that with the proper communication tools, security, and document handling support. But this has been RIM's bread and butter, with Nokia's Eseries also a big player. Those two are successful and attractive because their devices encompass a plethora of form factors and price points. I don't believe IT departments are willing to invest $450+ on every employee, though maybe a few high level administrators, and that money could be used on a RIM or Nokia device just as easily. Android and iOS are bit players here as well. I don't think WP7 will barge into the enterprise market and run off the incumbents in large amounts so quickly, so they won't be ruling that sector anymore either.<br><br>WP7's chance will be with the mainstream consumer. XBox support will give them a fighting chance there, but that is the most hotly contested section of the market. EVERYONE plays in that sandbox. I don't see them being in the top 3 OSes there either.<br><br>WP7 will have to evolve quickly, and diversify its price points and hardware support pretty well in order to make a splash. So successful is relative. I think they plateau near 20%, but that assumes Nokia's platforms, Android, and others don't grow to massive shares, which I believe they will over the next 2 years. Microsoft is just too late in the game, and may not even get to 20%.<br><br>Remember, when Nokia's ecosystems are ticking, they commanded 65% of the market, and this was just a few years ago! I expect Symbian/MeeGo (Its two OSes, but one shared development ecosystem, so I count it as one) to rise back to about 45-50% in the next year or two at least, and Android's march to near 25-30% rather quickly. <br><br>That just leaves...20-30% for iOS, Bada, WebOS, RIM, and WP7 to fight over. WebOS may become just a UI on top of MeeGo, given the similarities in architecture, but not immediately or unnecessarily. RIM is diverse in its price points, and has a good consumer base in the SMS crazed Asian teen market, along with its enterprise market. iOS has the Apple cult. <br><br>So how much of the pie will WP7 command in 2 years? Microsoft knows it will be a touch climb, which is why they have allied with Symbian, porting Silverlight for the web and application development to keep their core software competencies visible to the largest part of the market. All Eseries devices ship with Microsoft Office Communicator Suite and Microsoft Office software. They did this acknowledging they may not be a factor in OSes for mobile. There just isn't much ground left to gain, especially as a targeted high end only OS. So success will be hard won, and isn't guaranteed. The best doesn't always win.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[christexaport]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 10:09AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@angelusp  <br>We already have enough data and proof MeeGo will be fine on battery. Look at the N900 with Maemo, which is the precursor to MeeGo Handheld. It does well with its small battery, giving typical performance despite it much more connected behavior. My N900 always has 4 VOIP accounts, 7 IM accounts, PUSH email with 4 accounts, a Twitter client, and my Google Voice SMS plugin connected at all times. Also, I regularly am either listening to FM Radio, Last.fm, or locally stored music, and use my devices as my main computer for web browsing with FULL FLASH, and see no significant issue with battery life.<br><br>Don't think because other OSes can't pull it off, MeeGo can't. MeeGo is Linux, and everyone familiar with Linux knows how efficient the Linux stack is. So there is nothing to worry about.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[christexaport]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 10:25AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@dagetz  There is a proper notification system. ;)]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron C-T]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 11:17AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@christexaport  <br><br>I totally (respectfully) disagree.<br><br>The smartphone market is changing more rapidly than anyone could have expected. The iPhone was a huge success, beating even the most optimistic projections from Apple. Android started small but has since taken off. RIM has become less relevant. Palm has done nothing in over a year. Nokia continues to make no inroads into the US smartphone market.<br><br>The point is, any projections that look 12-24 months into the future are fraught with so many variables that they are really, at best, educated guesses. MS could have a huge winner on it's hands. Or it could be a huge dud. Only time will tell. And if it's done right, there is no reason why it couldn't take back marketshare from Apple and Google. With strong Enterprise support it could do a number on RIM. Point is, MS is positioned to be the market leader with WP7. If executed well, they can compete with all the big boys on the different fronts (media, internet, work, gaming). They could also drop the ball and have Kin v2 on their hands.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[bjsguess]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 11:42AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@christexaport  <br>I am not a EXPERT or anything just a consumer who has experiences in many devices, I own pretty much everything from iOS to MeeGo. How fun was to use touch screen in symbian? Nokia doesn't have a high end smartphone that appeals to consumers now. Nokia's market share comes from developing countries where they sell cheap phones. Before with their N Series phones, they were at the top of feature phones Not anymore. with iPhone people who used to have just voice plans are getting into smartphone business - even my dad @55 got an iphone and is loving it. He loves the interface compared to his old nokias and sony.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[bobanthazhathel]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 11:48AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@dagetz  "640K ought to be enough for anybody."<br><br><br>honestly. saying that anything currently covers everything is a bit ridiculous.<br><br>windows phone 7 will be a success, huge or small, there is still a place for new software]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Xorex]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 12:19PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@bobanthazhathel  <br>I can respect your position as an outsider. I was just like you a few years back. Just continue to drink and eat this business. You seem knowledgeable, but there is much more to learn that makes this business work. I listen to you, and you say the same things I said in my early days of studying the industry. <br><br>I would suggest you study the icons of the business, like my mentor, Tomi Ahonen and his blog, Communities Dominate Brands, as well as BGR and Engadget for a view on mindshare and numbers with good opinion and editorial, and read the Canalys and Gartner reports if you can afford or know someone that has access to them. Things will become clearer once you learn this is a business, and with many moving parts. UI and what consumers think isn't the only thing selling devices. Price, logistics, supply chain, and retail support are bigger pieces, but they all work in concert.<br> <br>Sorry if I came off rude or a know it all, but I love this business, and hate to see the facts skewed improperly. It is the reason mindshare and the truth have little relation nowadays.<br><br>"How fun was to use touch screen in symbian? Nokia doesn't have a high end smartphone that appeals to consumers now. Nokia's market share comes from developing countries where they sell cheap phones."<br><br>My devices are more tools than toys, so fun doesn't have such a heavy bearing as function and capability. Despite what you believe or blogs say, globally, this is the sentiment most have, and why Symbian is STILL the leader, and has GROWN share the last 4 quarters. Symbian has always been "good enough" for me, since anything else required me to give up features and marry a single service provider vs. using whatever I wish. Plus, I'm a camera nut, and no one makes better cameras than Nokia.<br><br>Nokia hasn't needed to put out a high end device to maintain share. They are big enough to stop making high end for a few years and retool to make a new high end OS. The last high spec device before the N900 was the N95. The rest have been downgraded variants, but still sold well. People love their features, and aren't easily giving them up. <br><br>But Nokia's new ecosystems will show just how far ahead they really are, and what they've done with those 3 years of stagnant hardware. Symbian is now WAY more efficient, with a graphics architecture rebuilt form the ground up. MeeGo is a Windows competitor in your pocket. Both share the same Qt app ecosystem, and embrace cross platform tech and more runtime toolkit support than anyone by a country mile. Research yourself and see how Nokia has created the ultimate developer playground for the future.<br><br>Don't be fooled by thinking Nokia's share is rooted in low income markets. They are first in almost all markets worldwide except where they are second in a couple, and in the US, where they've been locked out...until now. Check the sales and shares in UK, Germany, Spain, France, Russia, China, Africa, Austrailia, etc. Aside from the US, can you name one place where they aren't number 1 or 2, and selling devices in all price points quite well? And did you know the US is a relatively small piece of the global pie at 7%? Know the facts, my friend...<br><br>"Before with their N Series phones, they were at the top of feature phones Not anymore. with iPhone people who used to have just voice plans are getting into smartphone business - even my dad @55 got an iphone and is loving it. He loves the interface compared to his old nokias and sony."<br><br>Old people also like those big button phones because their easy. If you aren't very smart, it pays to have training wheels. But most of the market today is smarter than taht, and wants more. See Android growth for proof. Is it an easy OS to use? Not really. Good enough? Sure. So is Symbian. MeeGo's and Symbian's new UI coming this winter will blow your mind, so don't think they're stuck in sand. They were using Qt for the UI, and it just came out of beta. Now the fun begins. You'll see.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[christexaport]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 12:26PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@christexaport  omg pleasee shut up its a gadget blog nobody wants to hear a life story its a comment not a write your own post that is longer than the actual news post, and on a good note im still adding my own apps up on wp7]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralven]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 1:13PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@hq Who needs a dedicated uTube app anymore? Have you seen the mobile uTube site these days? The mobile site is amazing and works great.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Funkendoodles]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 1:51PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@hq i'm kind of intrigued that youtube will be integrated into the zune player, i really wanna see what it looks like. but what i was really hoping for is youtube in HUB form i think that would b pretty slick]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[ChronoSapien]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 2:09PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@ChronoSapien  Really? When is Zune getting youtube?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[rayjones09]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 3:10PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Revolutionary Your words have been marked. Wp7 will fail in a HUGE way. All you have to do is look at it to see what a clunky, ugly, worthless, waste of investment this is]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lordthree]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 3:28PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@christexaport  You went and wrote all that stuff only to be downranked into oblivion :\]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 4:27PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@bjsguess said:<br>"I totally (respectfully) disagree."<br><br>Thank you. I'm anxious to hear why.<br><br>"The smartphone market is changing more rapidly than anyone could have expected. The iPhone was a huge success, beating even the most optimistic projections from Apple. Android started small but has since taken off. RIM has become less relevant. Palm has done nothing in over a year. Nokia continues to make no inroads into the US smartphone market."<br><br>It didn't catch me off guard. I knew the iPhone would sell well, and Tomi, Canalys, and Gartners said so as well. But topping out at 20% isn't impressive to me. Get to 40%, and you're getting to industry standard levels. iPhone isn't a standard, just a trend, and not the buzz creator it was in its inception.<br><br>Android is doing what Apple did, though they are more apt to continue growing a bit longer. But without more cross platform technology and low end efficiency, it, too will hit a growth wall. You sell high end to get the hype, but low to midrange get the numbers and scale. Just a fact of the business. Android must become much more efficient on low end hardware to combat Symbian. Symbian is better on low end, and the lower processors and less RAM leave more money for BOM to dedicate to cameras and connectivity, even larger screens.<br><br>See the N8 vs. the HTC Hero for comparison. Similar price point, not performance or hardware.<br><br>"The point is, any projections that look 12-24 months into the future are fraught with so many variables that they are really, at best, educated guesses. MS could have a huge winner on it's hands. Or it could be a huge dud. Only time will tell."<br><br>That's a little inconsiderate of those that know a bit more than you, or have experience with the market. The sales projections are decided by carriers in most markets, and the production schedules can also be figured if you look at production capacity and current devices already in production. Real analysts are aware of the plans and focus of manufacturers, so there is a somewhat science to this. Its more than time. People don't pay thousands of dollars to Canalys and Gartners, or hire consultants like Tomi Ahonen and others for naught. Knowledge will allow you to get an idea of what's going on. Common sense does the rest.<br><br>Like common sense says WP7 won't become market leader as long as its hardware requirements are high, require capacitive displays, and have inherent costs that place it as a high end device. <br><br>Apple couldn't reach that level for similar reasons, and won't grow more without a change, which is why it is almost a guarantee Apple will sell lower tiered devices next year for under $450 unsubsidized, and maybe a QWERTY model. If not, they will not get much more growth. I don't need time to tell me that, just experience and knowledge of the market. If they don't announce such plans next year, their stock will began to slow, because investors tend to be aware of these same things, especially the financial institutions that buy stock in bulk. <br><br>"And if it's done right, there is no reason why it couldn't take back marketshare from Apple and Google. With strong Enterprise support it could do a number on RIM. Point is, MS is positioned to be the market leader with WP7. If executed well, they can compete with all the big boys on the different fronts (media, internet, work, gaming). They could also drop the ball and have Kin v2 on their hands."<br><br>Let's define "done right", then. It'll need to be on diverse hardware at price points from $200-600+. It'll need to be well received in the BRIC markets, where the majority of growth for new consumers will be. It'll need multiple form factors. It must present a compelling developer ecosystem, and it must either share an ecosystem with one of the other major OSes via cross platform technologies, or present a case as a lower cost to develop platform that will shave costs. It must have numerous hardware partners with relationships with the major carriers. It'll need to be in most of the major markets for mobile, which is most of the world's corners.<br><br>MOST of the plan has been done right, but not totally. There should be multiple form factors. The ecosystem uses tools common to Windows ecosystems, and shares Silverlight with Symbian for app and web development, meaning the applications will reach their and Symbian's far reaching platforms. There are decent hardware partners, and a few in the top tier of manufacturers.<br><br>But the bad news... Its high cost for entry will make it suitable only for high end. This isn't a major market for enterprise, and only a small part of it. Big companies usually prefer lower cost devices in bulk, not expensive ones. And that high cost will limit its abiliity to reach the largest growth markets, which just don't have the economics to support selling massive amounts of $450+ devices. Notice Nokia and RIM's devices are far cheaper. So it may do well in the US, but won't be major factor except in the buzz dept. on Engadget. As Palm's WebOS showed, that won't win you many points in market share. This is a business, not trend setting...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[christexaport]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 5:23PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@dan325013  <br>I'm used to Engadget readers and writers having no idea what their talking about. Downranking a comment doesn't make it true. Check my history. I've been downranked before, but history shows I haven't given much wrong information. Its hard to get fans and hopers to accept the truth, but it is the truth no less.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[christexaport]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 5:28PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@christexaport <br><br>You sir, care.  Thank you.  I have no mentors or economics.com-esq subscriptions, however I have noticed the same things.  All you have to understand is....there are more people with less money than vice versa and that celluar tech. is necessary and will, if it hasnt already, trump the LAN lines.  Therefore toys are nice and people like them but people need phones so the lions share of the market is meat not cake.  And none of these phones are going to chip into the "i aint    paying 40 bucks a month for the emails, i dont use the wifis."  The pay as you go and basic clamshell run that part of town....which is town's backbone.  The High Ends only are susceptible to trend which doesnt win business.  Take a timeless Armani suit vs an Ed Hardy snot rag and you'll get the gist.  Kin was a real opportunity for MS to try and push into low end but you still needed data and that wasnt going to fly.  Besides high end tech on phones have hit a wall too, a lot of the Engadget posts are about accessories for the iPhone akin to the Power Glove for NES.  The next wave of "fresh" news in high end celluar will be carrier transitions because the tech itself is already slowing to a halt and stagnating around whether there is a keyboard or not.<br><br>Keep fighting the good fight and appreciate your haters on Engadget, let let you know your on to something, because your not flaming and are well written so they downrank in the way a pack of wild dogs gnash at cattle.<br><br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[YoMamaOS]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 8:09PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@rayjones09  it said music hub add on, so i would guess that its going to somehow get integrated into the zune player because thats its music hub]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[ChronoSapien]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 11:35PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[Yayyyyyyy]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[mareah]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 6:58AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[Hopefully it will have more than 30 like WebOS did :/]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[sweet greggo part deux]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 6:59AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@sweet greggo part deux <br><br>WebOS has over a thousand.<br>Where you get the info that WebOS only has 30?<br><br>Idiot.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Revolutionary]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:21AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Revolutionary I think he means at launch in which case he's right, primarily due to catalogue submissions not being available at launch.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruben]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:29AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Revolutionary  <br>" Like web os *DID* "<br><br>Please do not call some an idiot with such haste, because you then look even that much more dumb. The key word in his comment is "DID" so he/she is 100% correct as web OS had (past tense) about 30 if not less at launch (past). They now have a thousand plus apps (present).]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Austinekong.web]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:43AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@sweet greggo part deux <br>I'm thinking it will - as someone who is writing a WP7 app, mine isn't listed there.  That's because I haven't submitted it to the marketplace yet because there isn't much point.  I can spend the next 2-3 months polishing it up before submitting it.  I bet other developers are doing the same.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 8:34AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@rackley Thank you for creating apps for microsoft! You are one of those people that will make WP7 great! =]]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[SskyNnet]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 9:15AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@rackley  I can see it both taking off and stalling. I'm sure there are many devs looking for the chance to get in again on a ground floor opportunity. The first time Apple had already shown that people would buy the device before they opened a market. Google had to prove that the devices would sell before devs flocked to the market. This time I imagine devs will say screw it lets make money the day it opens and if it doesn't sell oh well.<br><br>On th other hand theres always this idea in the minds of .Net developers that there are way more .Net devs and apps than there really are. I believe it comes from the isolation from other technologies thats common in those circles. You see nothing but .Net devs and MS tech around you and you believe thats the whole world. But it always turns out in the end that theres not this massive number of devs chompin at the bit to get their code onto a different type of platform. For instance I thought there would be waaaaaay more Live Arcade games than there are. And the Xbox integration and game development is what I'm thinking will be what makes these phones take off. So I guess its just wait and see with nothing to really be sure about.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Blaque14K]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 11:24AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@sweet greggo part deux <br>Microsoft has stated that they expect the web store to have a number of apps in "the low thousands" at launch.  They are aggressively pushing their app model and working directly with lots of developers.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Kuranes]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 10th 2010 3:21PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[It shows how the world has changed when a YouTube app is described as "critical", to a phone.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[engadget]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 6:59AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@MarkA If you mean feature-phone you have a point.<br>Smartphone yes, it is critical for most people unless you have a capable web-browser. Coming home from concert last Sunday, we all wanted to sing a song, a friend's son pull it off from the YouTube on his iPhone, I transmitted it to the car FM and there everybody started singing - that is something smart.<br><br>At $500-600 the smartphones cost more than most business level notebooks, and why will one buy something useless?<br><br>If you guys want MS to succeed you better them it the truth. I develop on MS Windows platform for a living but I will not just buy a WP7 smartphone because MS created the OS.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[NewBie]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 8:21AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@MarkA <br>amen! Just make a decent browser and quit effing around! Nokia has had embedded video support in the browser on all smartphones since 2008! Now they're first with FULL Flash. Which is why they remain the most functional and feature packed without the need for many apps.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[christexaport]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 10:33AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[I think WP7 will have a strong app selection at startup.  They'd have to just to compete.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[yeoldgreat1]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 6:59AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[I think that as the competition have a goof lead on Microsoft in terms of apps (as far as I know).  Microsoft should subsidise the development of a host of apps in various categories just to have the platform start running.<br><br>Apps in the travel department such as navigation, travel planning etc.<br>Apps in the games department, nice addictive games, like angry birds etc.<br>And so on.<br><br>So that upon purchase, a user can cover a number of essential bases even if there is not a huge selection.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marwan boustany]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:00AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[Tells you something about MS priorities when there is no office front and center, really wish there was some focus somewhere on phones as a productivity tool. <br><br>I can't wait to see more phones with hdmi output and bluetooth keyboard connectivity... hopefully one day they will also run a full Office suite. So i can abandon my desktop...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[KM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:00AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@KM Huh? Office for WP7 isn't news, and I believe it is comes with the phone...<br><br><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/updated-windows-phone-7-videos-show-office-doing-awesome-things/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/updated-windows-phone-7-videos-show-office-doing-awesome-things/</a>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:24AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@rutt  *cough* -is]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:25AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[At least I'll be able to find a suitable partner for my whale!]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:02AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[I don't what the picture of this post should represent. Is it the market place? it looks very messy...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[lightpriest]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:06AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@lightpriest, the official applications by the larger names are still very much secret. These for the most part look to be on the indie side of things.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Templarian]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 8:47AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[The marketplace is not very attractive or easy to read through going by the screenshots above....but it's a ways away so I won't fully judge.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[JR]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:07AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Cringer Are you posting from prison?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:12AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Cringer it isn't a screenshot from the actual Marketplace. Have a look at this video for a look at the real Marketplace:<br><br><a href="http://www.liveside.net/mobility/archive/2010/06/22/windows-phone-7-marketplace-in-action.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.liveside.net/mobility/archive/2010/06/22/windows-phone-7-marketplace-in-action.aspx</a>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:30AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@andreab  No Silverlight here, but I will assume it shows something much better, good to know even without seeing it.<br><br>Prison? eh, haven't heard that one before. I guess people don't wear orange t-shirts anywhere else in the world.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[JR]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:39AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Cringer  They do wear them elsewhere, just not with close-shaved heads, facial hair, and nicknames about what they do when they drop the soap in the communal showers.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[CapmCrunk]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 10:35AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@fpad77  HAHAHAHAH lolll]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[silverton64]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 10th 2010 5:16AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on ]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/first-batch-of-windows-phone-7-applications-may-include-yelp-and/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Marwan boustany So Microsoft should pay someone to create a farting application? And a flashlight app?<br><br>But yeah, that does make sense to get the basics covered.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[kadajawi]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 9th 2010 7:07AM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>
