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It's really a no brainer...]]>Aug 10th 2010 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Come on guys... Did any of you ever paid for any Google services? Did Google Ad ever been annoying?

Let them earn to develop even greater services...]]>Aug 10th 2010 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/All ads are annoying. Especially Google's. At least with TV commercials, I can get a modicum of enjoyment out of some. Google ads are just boring, and yet, still annoying. ]]>Aug 10th 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/to quote Kevin Rose on this subject: "People always forget that they get it for free"
A little ad here and there is not too much to ask for a wealth of free services.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Then they should at least disclose that they are gathering data.
Put a big banner on top of the webpage.
If they did that kind of full disclosure, I would be perfectly fine with it. ]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/They should, and they do. but there's no reason for them to make it obnoxiously apparent. None of the information they would use would be personally compromising, and its completely reasonable for them to use it to better target ads.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/No ToS on the Google Main Page.
There is a Privacy page, yes.
But that's like putting the information that a company now owns your soul in the EULA. It's an unreasonable expectation to think that the average layman would read it.

Listen. As annoying as they may be, I'm not in contention about Google giving people ads on what they search for.
My problem is that they are gearing up to create a dossier on everyone who visits their site, to give to ad agencies.

B T Dubs, On Google's privacy page, they say they want to make sure that the data collection process is transparent. So yeah. A huge banner telling what's up would be right up their alley.

Apparently you didn't read the Privacy Policy either. ]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Think of your favourite vilified company (Microsoft? Walmart? Starbucks?). Do you really think Google are any better? Newsflash: their shareholders say not.

It's been said before, but plagarise: 'don't do evil' leaves a lot of scope.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
What you're asking for sounds more along the lines of "blatantly transparent", which is just unreasonable.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/I did not give them the information. They took it. There is a difference. Google seems to be a huge proponent of the "Opt-Out" service, as opposed to the "Opt-In". I mean, fuck. Look at the Google Buzz fiasco.

Try to spin that fuck up in a positive light.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/And how exactly did they take this information?
was there a break in at your house?]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/If they do not present the ToS to you when you first use a website, then they can't have implied consent. There is a reason that all software installers have to present the EULA *before* you use the product.

]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/They don't have do do anything actually. The EULA is provided before you install software for the company's own copyright proprietary reasons. It has nothing to do with user privacy. Google letting you know what they're doing is almost entirely for your benefit only.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Nice fucking attitude, Google. It's like selling some form of "protection".

"I will kick your ass and take your money every single day. But if you pay me $500 a month you can get rid of the beatings altogether." Fucking cock-holes.]]>Aug 10th 2010 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/... running on an open-source browser like Firefox. Chrome and Safari can be as fast as they want: I'm not interested in saving milliseconds at the expense of privacy.]]>Aug 10th 2010 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Just look at RIM now folding to provide privacy details of their users so as to not loose dollars. Google had already rolled over in China to not loose any more market share at the cost of human rights.

MAKE MONEY, then do no evil. The priorities are at odds.

Big business will continue in this direction as time goes on.]]>Aug 10th 2010 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
I expect them to profit...and they do; but "balance between user privacy and advertising opportunities" shouldn't be agonizing. The banner(s) they show me based on scanning my email is good enough -- no need to collect/reference more data for an even better banner.
]]>Aug 10th 2010 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/No, what's surprising is that people will sell something as valuable as their privacy so very cheaply. Some people, apparently, even think it's normal to do so.]]>Aug 10th 2010 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/I can Haz fast internet? There.....]]>Aug 10th 2010 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Talk about skynet.]]>Aug 10th 2010 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
I don't want one single company to control that much data and traffic. I use Google for about 30% of searches (Bing other 70%), and don't use many of their online services.]]>Aug 10th 2010 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/That's what Hitler said to the French...]]>Aug 10th 2010 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
You also forgot TV . . .

]]>Aug 10th 2010 9:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 11th 2010 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Fuck Google.]]>Aug 10th 2010 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Wow. Way to white knight for an advertising company. ]]>Aug 10th 2010 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
This x1000. Changed my search provider to Bing last week after the news about Verizon and Google's pow-wow.

It's not that I'm against them making money. It's the simple fact that, as stated, their mantra from the beginning was 'don't be evil' and now they could care less about privacy and what's good for the consumer if it affects their bottom line.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Yeah, I know. But I've never thought Microsoft to be the white knight of the industry. ]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Bingo... I also switched over to Bing a couple of weeks ago. I don't find the search as good as google's but at least I'm not feeding an "Evil" company with my private info. Google got too big too fast and they need to be put back in their place.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 2:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Google is probably still better for obscure searches by virtue of the sheer immense volume of historical data they've collected, but aside from that the discrepancy in relevance seems to be gone. Most of what remains is just habit and favoritism ... "oh, Google's results are just better." Well, no. Not so much.]]>Aug 10th 2010 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
I always laugh when I hear that don't be evil mantra. Google isn't a not a non-profit, they are business that makes money off of it's users. Why don't people see that Google is and will be the biggest, unchecked, monopoly in the history of mankind? I guess it's OK if it's the company you like huh? I mean it's incredible what they have done but I make it an active point not to do everything through them.

I just can't trust one company to have all of my information. I'd rather have it split up among competing companies. The way things ended up I'm using Bing for search, Yahoo for mail, and Google Docs.]]>Aug 10th 2010 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
Apple? That's funny. Thank you for the laugh.]]>Aug 10th 2010 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
You guessed right for me. I do prefer Mac over PC but I don't get your point. What does me choosing a Microsoft service over a Google service have to do with Apple? All that does is reinforce how impartial I am because I am actually supporting Microsoft.

What does Google using their "do no evil" mantra to fool people into gathering their information have to do with me using a Mac or a PC?

Even if you believe Google has good intentions at this time, what happens when the board changes over and they have all this info on you. No company should have this much power. As others have mentioned, I am trying to spread my use in multiple places.]]>Aug 10th 2010 6:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Aug 10th 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/
The point of business is to grow it, not to say "this is good enough" and just stop. If any of the leaders of the past had said that, we'd still be walking through poop-filled fields, laboring for our lord who lives in his castle.]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/wsj-google-agonizing-over-user-privacy-vision-document-sug/Yeah, but at least our poop filled fields wouldn't be tracking our poop filled interests. ]]>Aug 10th 2010 2:26PM