http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/As a non gamer I was sort of considering buying it until this. I wonder how much money X-Box could have made if Microsoft wasn't run by idiots.]]>Aug 11th 2010 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
The camera looks to be about the same quality as the PS eye. Perhaps actually even worse, but with the ranging tech added in.

I seriously doubt this is going to be very playable. The Eye's quality just isn't up to snuff, even for 2D manipulation. If the Kinisiolonect can't handle finger movement, that means it's dang limited in what it can understand. I really will have to swing around like a monkey to play a game.

More gimmicky than the Wii.]]>Aug 11th 2010 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
I can't say I even care about sign-language in regards to the Xbox or Kinect.]]>Aug 11th 2010 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
This news has definitely not helped Microsoft persuade me in getting this for my 'box. It's now nothing more than two Sony eyetoy thingamajig stuck together.]]>Aug 11th 2010 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Have you actually tried it?]]>Aug 11th 2010 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
PSEye doesn't have a depth sensor at all, so its not the same.

The depth sensor is key here, its what makes skeletal tracking possible. With an ordinary camera it doesn't work regardless of resolution.]]>Aug 11th 2010 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
For Kinect, the infrared sensor (or camera) is 320x240 @ 30 fps and the visual rgb camera is 640x480 ? @ 30 fps ..

@Raffi256

"The depth sensor" is an infrared camera with an infrared projector.. It projects out a grid and the sensor detects it and voila you have z-axis mapping, every time you break the grid it probably registers an interrupt and low and behold you have your directional tracking.. The skeletal mapping is all just software, watch the ps eye demos, they have the exact same skeletal mapping with head tracking but only for the upper body..

From what I have read here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-case-for-kinect-article

"In truth, the two-frame claim also seems at odds with the realities of the Kinect set-up - processing the optical feed, producing the depth map and transporting it over USB 2.0 incurs a base-line latency even before the game itself gets its hands on the data. And of course we need to remember that Kinect itself only scans at 30Hz - in pad-driven games, latency leaps from a minimum of 66ms to 100ms when frame-rate drops down to 30FPS from 60FPS. A lower scan rate absolutely translates into higher latency."

You can hype this thing up until the cows come home, but its not at all accurate and will _NEVER_ be accurate in its current incarnation.. So forget any core game being developed for it, no shooting games nothing like that, it doesn't have the precision or the accuracy..

By all means rush out and buy it and sit there and exaggerate your hand movements to control the dashboard, but how long until you get bored of it ? ]]>Aug 11th 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Going from the PrimeSense press release, depth sensor gets you a depth value for each pixel in the field of view. It's like a displacement map. You end up with a clean 3D point cloud independent of colors or lighting or any noise in the scene. Then you can do good skeletal tracking from that, and don't even need the subject to be lit.

I can't imagine lag measured in milliseconds to be an issue, your body movements themselves are lagged, especially coarse movements like jumping around and swinging your arms. So its unlikely you can perceive any sluggishness unless you're a ninja.]]>Aug 11th 2010 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
"@Dustin F

PSEye doesn't have a depth sensor at all, so its not the same.

The depth sensor is key here, its what makes skeletal tracking possible."

What in the heck explains why the PS3 and PS2 have ancient demos proving body tracking?

Sure, in 2d.

But the PS3 actually has a much better camera for 2d than the 360 will have for 3D. And I don't run forward and backward too much when playing cam games. It seems like an added degree of complexity that is more marketing hype than it's actual performance.

I can see you bought it, no disrespect intended, in how you actually think something that a lot of cameras can do, without 3d tracking, is impossible without it.

You're right, it's not the same. the PS3 actually has a more precise camera. For 2D, granted. Just 2D. Which is good enough for an illusion of 3D, of course. That's why you can tell where someone is, even if you cover one of your eyes.

And with this inferior precision, I doubt the 360 will be any better than the terrible Eye and Eyetoy games. We'll see, but it's obvious that MS had an idea of what it would take, technologically, to perform this task... and they have proceeded to gut that product well beneath that capability.

We'll see, but I don't think we'll see any Socom 4 quality precision.]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Dude, absolutely NO EyeToy games have skeletal tracking, period. It doesn't know the difference between an elbow, or a head, a foot, or a banana. All it knows is some pixels are moving over here in the corner of the screen, etc. You could wave around whatever the hell you want to play the games.

Kinect is like attaching a Wiimote or Move to your hands, elbows, feet, knees, neck, etc. and getting 3D positional readings on everything.]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Dont forget Microsoft bought out 3DV, and then licensed some tech from PrimeSense, the detection system is not the same as the PrimeSense stuff..

They removed the processor, they reduced the infrared sensor resolution....

Read the digital foundry article, it has issues detecting all black clothing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UuMPz9ncQI --> Even the rep says it in this video 1:23 Asks the guy to take off his jacket and then says Kinect has a hard time seeing blacks ...

This is not the same tech as the PrimeSense stuff, dont get confused..

You dont have to be a ninja, its tracking is just no where near as good as it should be, forget facial detection any of that, finger detection ? Yeah right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Bs_PKX_qU --> Watch the leg tracking of the avatar on screen watch it go mental, it cant keep up with the guy moving on screen so it gets confused as to whats going on
and this is a pretty simple game.. You can clearly see the lag in this demo, so no you dont have to be a ninja just an average guy wearing a back pack..

]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
It's the same basic tech though, getting depth by projecting coded light patterns and reading back the results, 3DV's tech is based on time-of-flight which is very different.

Even Hollywood-style motion capture with body suits and all that gives you funky joint positions from time to time. That can be filtered out in software, its a matter of iterating and tweaking things. This hasn't even launched yet.]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Nothing and I mean nothing I have seen of the demos has worked as it should, and this admittance of a lower res, low frequency sensor doesnt make you doubt the tech implementation ?

They have said that it would be ready to market by October that gives them roughly 2 months and a bit to get this perfect, the hardware has already been finalised..

If you think the software can magically increase the resolution and the response of the sensor then so be it, but I cant see that happening.. Hardware is the real physical limitation..

You think this tech is even comparable to the hollywood tech ? Your off your rocker, move to the side and play a kinect game and sit down and play.. They still havent got that nailed down either and only 2 months to go until launch..]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
There are plenty of demos of the ps3 eye doing skeletal mapping (upper body very accurately) with a metallic exo-skeleton and also doing head tracking even very accurate face tracking, its all in their SDK as well.. The facial tracking is all from algorithms developed by the Sony Camera division, they use it to detect when some one is smiling for a picture for example and this has all been merged into the ps3 SDK, no idea how much processing it would swallow up, but its there for developers to build into move games..



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Skeletal tracking is done using data from the depth sensor, not the color camera. Doing FULL BODY skeletal tracking using a plain image from a camera is next to impossible for the current state of software today. It would be like building a simulation of the human visual cortex, running it on a giant supercomputer, and training it with years of experience interpreting human poses of all different races, clothing styles, hair styles, body type, lighting conditions, various room configurations, etc. Its way beyond what we can do today with machine vision. Relying on depth data allows the software to ignore all that, and just get the general shape of the object separated cleanly from the background. It makes the tracking more simple and robust (not to say its easy though).

Face smile detection and the like you see in digital cameras today even. Faces are pretty easy for computer vision software to work with, but you generally need to be facing the camera head on, and lighting needs to be good.

Full-body skeletal tracking from a 2D image is crazy though, even if you pulled it off it would never be as reliable as using depth sensor data. Remember a depth sensor will work in complete darkness.]]>Aug 11th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Also Your Shape is probably doing that because it's a fitness/health game and avatars are not anatomically correct, they're cartoons and they want to show the user's actual body shape. I guess they still could use the skeletal tracking to drive the actual game play, like check to see if your arm is at the right angle, etc.

I never rely too much I read on blogs/news articles. This is really complex tech, and journalists aren't engineers. A lot of times the details get glazed over.]]>Aug 11th 2010 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hajHZvKUzE4 Looks like Sony has managed to do the impossible in your books, near perfect body tracking including head..

Since when do you need depth to detect shapes ? Seriously thats the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard.. The "depth sensor" is good for detecting z axis movement.. It provides nothing for x,y which any old plain webcam can be used to track perfectly, seriously dude I suggest you do a little more research into this..

You think ubisoft is the only one ditching the much hyped "skeletal mapping" ? Read the digital foundry article. Even child of eden ditches it, its practically useless, unless your going to build an avatar based game and then it adds a whole lot of overhead..

]]>Aug 11th 2010 11:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
As good as the games/demos were at e3, that resolution doesn't leave a lot of room for more advanced games/applications, much less sign language or facial expression recognition.

I'll wait for the next xbox/kinect version.]]>Aug 11th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/You have to start from somewhere first. I am sure resolution will go up as processing power goes up.]]>Aug 11th 2010 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/I actually suspect cost more then cpu time.]]>Aug 11th 2010 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Thats why it original had an on-board CPU which was also nixed in the interest of pricing. Had the kinect come out in its original form from last summer's E3, it would be closer to $300 per unit.]]>Aug 11th 2010 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
How many freaking games need finger tracking? When's the last time you played a game where a character's finger motions were important? This is yet another example of the spoiled society we live in. So MS develops 3D depth sensing gaming device like nothing we've ever seen that can map out almost everything that your body is doing including subtle hand motions and people complain because it doesn't read all the joint motions in each one of your fingers. Ugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
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Also the resolution is most likely a limit of the camera, keep in mind all the hardware is custom made for the 360, just like how 20GB drives were still being made for the 360 up until 2008 or 2009, even though new 20GBs haven't been made for consumers for the past 5yrs.]]>Aug 11th 2010 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Who cares about kinect in the context of current gaming... think of the possibilities of where it could go, especially with a higher resolution camera!

What if you could have a game that taught you how to make sushi? Or could read your mood based on your facial expressions? Think outside of the confines of current gaming!]]>Aug 11th 2010 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/

LOL he so right....]]>Aug 11th 2010 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Cool8Man, Lets not rewrite history ok ? PrimeSense and 3DV developed this tech not Microsoft and both of them did a far better job than what the current incarnation is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_yWZFcgPPk&feature=fvw -- this is the 3DV zcam, look how response their tech once was..

Now watch prime sense

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/11/primesense-talks-full-body-motion-control-at-gdc-the-possibilit/

Look his just waving his fingers to control his box and he can sit down to use it...

So no Microsoft were not the inventors of this tech and infact the originators of this tech produced something far better than what the kinect currently is.. ]]>Aug 11th 2010 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Wow some people really have no ability to distinguish a concept video from an actual demo.

Anyone who thinks typing on a virtual keyboard in mid air is a good design UI needs to actually try it. That is not a natural UI.

This is a realistic and well thought out UI for gesture and voice control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfsGy0gRR4M]]>Aug 11th 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
3DV makes a time-of-flight depth sensor which is a radically different technology, it probably cost a bundle too.]]>Aug 11th 2010 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/and people should stop making comparisons to the PS cams. they're just the RGB cam. no IR. no depth. no mapping.]]>Aug 11th 2010 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
"Anyone who thinks typing on a virtual keyboard in mid air is a good design UI needs to actually try it. That is not a natural UI."

Pretending to hold a steering wheel in mid air, as seen in MS demos, is not natural or good UI either.]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
@cool8man That demo is fake to you ? Watch the 2nd one with the guy in the hotel room sitting in the couch waving his hand to control the TV, not the 1st one, thats what you call precision and accuracy..

That 1st video is basically completely copied by Microsoft for their 2009 e3 reveal of natal.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qlHoxPioM --> Remember this ? Well guess what Kinect cant do any of it..


]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/No, not a bad sign, just invented "news". The patent application is from 18 months ago, only just "made public" days ago.
To my knowledge, Natal/Kinect sign-language recognition has never otherwise been promised or demonstrated. I don't recall it being mentioned in any way at all.
Besides, can anyone name one camera/software combo anywhere that does sign language recognition?
I can't decide if all this comes from unrealistic expectations, or just trying to make Microsoft look bad any way you can...]]>Aug 11th 2010 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
But I think it's a good thing that MS wants to break down barriers and help disabled players! Hopefully one day this research becomes a real technology.]]>Aug 11th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
this doesn't make much sense. If you can do sign language, manipulating a normal controller is not a problem for you. Deaf players get captions, too.

this was just a gimmick. MS wanted to pretend their product was so precise and awesome, and never actually intended such a device. This claim was marketing BS, plain and simple.]]>Aug 11th 2010 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
I don't know enough about ASL to say if sign language is faster at conveying sentences than actually speaking, but in terms of accuracy you wouldn't have to worry about dealing with millions of different accents.

It would be cool to imagine a future where kids have to learn sign language in school instead of taking typing classes. ]]>Aug 11th 2010 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/
Indeed. I do believe your mother and your father effected you.

Now if we're talking about "affected," on the other hand...]]>Aug 11th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Aug 11th 2010 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Whoops i really didn't mean for it to come out that way. I'm saying downgrading the camera won't affect how it works for me]]>Aug 11th 2010 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/microsoft-says-kinect-wont-support-sign-language-downgraded-ca/Wait for xbox720
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