http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/ Engadget Comments for San Francisco Bay Area gets $5 million for EV chargers, Detroit will charge $40 per month http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Hopefully this tech will help us stop relying on the oil companies so damn much.]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 3:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Too true. I can gas my car up for $40 a month. Where's the incentive to go electric?

Pass. ]]>Aug 12th 2010 4:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
I think the new era will begin when there's a concerted effort to add electric charging to every single gas station that's up and running in the U.S. If we have that then electric vehicle production will skyrocket. Until then, car companies will be more hesitant to invest fully into electric without a robust infrastructure to support their investment.

It's kind of a catch 22. Without the infrastructure, car companies don't want to go all in on electric vehicles, but without the vehicles, it doesn't make much sense to install so many charging stations. If we want widespread adoption in 3 years instead of 15, one sector needs to ramp up dramatically now through subsidies to stem the losses that come with no use for several months and years. That's logically the charging stations. Put those up and as the cars roll out, they're ready to be driven anywhere.]]>Aug 12th 2010 5:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
I've said it once, and I'll say it again: this is some bullshit.

I spend less than $40 a month on gas, and these "buffet" plans where its all you can eat for a fixed price goes COMPLETELY against the whole concept of using LESS energy since it provides incentive to use as much as you can to get your money's worth.

Charge the same damn amount as the rest of my appliances, and if you want to help the industry, then simply subsidize the purchase and installation cost of the universal charger. Make it, say, $400 off, so there is also still incentive for the consumer to find the cheapest price for one and yet its still affordable. ]]>Aug 12th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Eh, just my opinion, but I think your statement is backwards. Electric vehicles have been around almost since the cars invention. Look up info on the EV1, the 4runner and ford ranger ev's, were out less than a decade ago, and were all destroyed, even after lease drivers affored to pay outright for the EV1's, they were still destroyed. Imo, car companies dont want to sell ev's. Were are getting the same mileage 10 years ago, hell 20 yearz ago, that we are getting today out of ev's. I hope im wrong, but im not buying it.]]>Aug 12th 2010 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
yes, i've heard of the EV1. I've posted on engadget before about how crazy GM is and how they shouldn't be praised for the chevy volt, because they killed the EV1, but it wasn't because of lack of demand. It's for financial reasons and ties to oil that they wanted to maintain and that's why they killed the EV1. The point is, if we have a national push, the car companies have an interest in making new electric vehicles because they still make money from it. It's the chevrons and shells that have an interest in stopping electric car innovation. They'd be cut out, and that's why the old electric vehicles were killed off.]]>Aug 12th 2010 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Everyone always want to live in other places, but when they get there, after a while, they think it's cooler to live somewhere else and want to move there. It's how life works, you want what you can't have, and when you get it, there's something else you want.]]>Aug 12th 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Indeed, 40$/month for unlimited fuel willsurely get the whole EV thing going for real in America! This is wonderful news.]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Every 40 miles? Where have you been hiding the last few years?]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
He's referring to the chevy volt which only gets 40 miles per charge from its batteries. The difference is the chevy volt is meant to be a bridge from old technology to new. Anyone in any state can get the volt and not be worried about driving it across country whereas anyone with a tesla model s or a nissan leaf can only drive it within a certain radius of their homes. I'm not promoting the volt though. I think more companies should be going all electric. It's cheaper than combining both techs into one car which is why the volt is $10,000 more than it needs to be.]]>Aug 12th 2010 5:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 6:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 8:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
I wouldn't want BP to produce electricity.. think something like Chernobyl...]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Yikes! True though. I take back my suggestion.]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
That has been discussed, but, at least for now, it is not practical because every automaker uses a different size battery that best suits the automobile. Eventually, it could work if batteries are standardized, but I don't think thats going to happen any time soon because with the relatively low energy density that the current batteries have, automakers design them to conform specifically to each vehicle for maximum capacity.

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/10/30/ford-dismisses-battery-swaps/]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Besides charging doesn't/shouldn't take long they just need to move from stand-alone stations to stations at shopping centers or grocery stores and then you'll be there for longer than a fuel up anyways :) ]]>Aug 12th 2010 3:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Here in Colorado... i seriously doubt most people are caring about electric cars (minus Boulder, of course). It takes so goddam long to get ANYWHERE in this state that charges just can't keep up with the reuirements.]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
They all look grey to me.]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 6:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Voltec_platform
The purchase price seems high but that's why GM is leasing the car for $350. ]]>Aug 12th 2010 8:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
We should be focusing on the compressed hydrogen technology that was successfully demonstrated by Honda's FCX clarity, which can be filled up in three minutes like any other gasoline-powered car. Having to wait 8hrs for a charge is a HUGE step back.]]>Aug 12th 2010 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 9:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/
Buy electric but stick to the coast dammit !]]>Aug 12th 2010 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/good thing I don't have an electric car]]>Aug 12th 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/Aug 12th 2010 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/1. You get to work. Now you have to search the parking lot for an open charge station. You find one and hook it up. Then go to your office. 30 minutes later you have to leave your office to the parking lot and move your car so someone else can use the charge station. If you don't get an available charge station you will have to find some way to know when it will be available. There may even be a daily wait list to get into a charge station. So all day long employees will be moving their cars in and out of the charge stations. What if you forget or don't get one. Will you be able to get home? Will you have to wait after work until your car is charged?

2. Now electric consumption has skyrocketed because everybody has to charge a car. Demand goes up so price goes up. Now instead of hating oil companies you hate power companies. There is only one way you will ever be able to provide enough electricity to charge the working force of America, coal. You will need to burn a lot more coal to satisfy electric car use. You will never, in our lifetime, be able to produce enough electric from any other source to satisfy the demand.

3. Our current electric grid will not be able to supply the increase in demand for electric cars. It will take a lifetime to get the grid where it needs to be.

Electric cars are a pipe dream. A lot of you will never admit that or accept it but it is the truth. Charging a car everyday sometimes more than once a day is an inconvenience the majority of people will not pay for. Maybe in 50 or 60 years or more.....hell...people complain because their smart phone has to charge everyday.]]>Aug 12th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/12/san-francisco-bay-area-gets-5-million-for-ev-chargers-detroit/1. The Nissan Leaf will have an 80 mile minimum range. The average American commute is 16. So even if they forgot to charge it one night, they'd still get home without charging at work.
2. Even powering an electric car with COAL is better than driving a combustion engine to work.
3. If we quit spending BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS ON fossil fuels, maybe we'd have a little leftover for some wind/solar/thermal/tidal/biogas plants?]]>Aug 12th 2010 2:19PM