http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/ Engadget Comments for Mirrorless camera shootout: DSLR alternatives get sized up and ISO-examined http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 6:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 8:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
...expect the Sony is the most compact and has the best high ISO performance. :-)]]>Aug 17th 2010 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
And has the softest pictures and worst colors no good lenses and a horrible horrible usability.
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Samsung makes digital cameras?]]>Aug 18th 2010 2:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/GF1 is one of the nicest cameras - damn it feels good in your hand]]>Aug 17th 2010 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 7:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 7:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
The sensor size is the main issue. Until human can change the law of physics, camera like Panasonic G/GF series will never be able to deliver a better image quality than normal DSLR with a bigger sensor size.]]>Aug 17th 2010 7:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
Lower pixel density does not means better image quality. It is pixel size that has bigger effect. If both a DSLR and a MFT have the same pixel count, the larger sensor means a bigger pixel size and better image quality.]]>Aug 17th 2010 8:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
4 third is apparently smaller than APS-C
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm

I can see why MFT (should be smaller than 4 third) can be the same size as APS-C (or marginally smaller)]]>Aug 17th 2010 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
Sorry, it should be "I CAN'T see why MFT (should be smaller than 4 third) can be the same size as APS-C (or marginally smaller)"]]>Aug 17th 2010 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
But mirrorless will take a huge bite of the potential consumer and amateur dslr users. ]]>Aug 17th 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
MFT is sometimes described as APS-C minus the "ears".]]>Aug 17th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/@moijk
Yes - I did say the BEGINNING of the end ;-)

I shed my SLR gear a few weeks ago on ebay but I can see why most people will stick with it for now. SLRs are going to be around for many years.]]>Aug 17th 2010 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/You may be right that this may spell the beginning of the end for low-end DSLR's. But pro cameras are not going anywhere anytime soon.

Slap a 200mm f2 lens on these bodies and you'll see what I mean. With pro glass, there's no advantage in having a tiny body. And unless we change the laws of physics, fast glass is not getting smaller.
No, and High-ISO is not a replacement for fast glass.]]>Aug 17th 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
The truth is, Mirrorless cameras with interchangeable lenses are great. And might be a better option for some consumers than DSLRs. But, there are reasons why they'll never be a total replacement.

Personally, if I had to choose, I wouldn't give up my DSLR viewfinder and incredibly fast autofocus in exchange for the smaller body of a mirrorless. But, here's the beauty of the situation - I don't have to choose! If I really wanted, it'd be entirely possible for me to have both a DSLR and a mirrorless camera.

Or, even, to recognize that while one choice is right for me, a different choice might be right for someone else.

Actually, as soon as I have an extra $600 to spend, I think one of these will be my next photography purchase, cleverly disguised as a gift for my wife.
]]>Aug 17th 2010 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/The EVF is a lot more flexible, it can show overexposure in REAL LIFE, simulate various conditions (motion blur) in REAL LIFE. And can be molded for any other photographic purpose. And it will only get better, AND BETTER.

There's NO WAY to improve the optical viewfinder. So far, the only reason, optical viewfinder is around is because EVF hasn't quite evolved yet. Only the core fanatics will kick and scream, until they turn into equivalent of record collectors in the audio business.

The FUTURE IS COMING]]>Aug 17th 2010 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/bokeh depends on lens and sensor size, generally larger sensor cameras which provide very shallow DOF combined with wide aperture lenses provide good bokeh.

I don't think smaller sensors would ever provide a bokeh of the same quality as 35mm sensors.]]>Aug 17th 2010 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Photography is not about getting the correct exposure all the time. (and mirror SLRs do show over and underexposure through the metering system). Depending on a photographer's vision both over and under exposure can produce a more perfect result than a correct exposure.]]>Aug 17th 2010 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
The other vendors may have good products, but Canon has pedigree in the DSLR space and shouldn't be underestimated.]]>Aug 17th 2010 7:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
2) A digital viewfinder will never replace a glass mirror/prism viewfinder, what you see through a real dslr viewfinder cannot be replicated by any lcd (or other) screen.]]>Aug 17th 2010 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
You're not the first one whom said those wise words, after some real thoughts it's not entirely true (or need more clarification):

1]. "Better Camera" as in comparing "similar specced camera", 'cos you can't tell me a point and shoot disposable camera is the same as a full-blown DSLR, even if they are both on "Auto" as in just click the shutter button, no matter "Who" clciks it, and if you're comaring a novice 12 yrs old vs. a 50yrs old professional, so it's all relative (like everything in this world, no best but better)

2]. Again, you can't be so sure about the future, who says the future of a "camera" is not a pair of glasses you wear that reads your mind and just like a pair of reading glasses actually "enhances" the viewing image? and that glass is not actually transparent, could be some super-duper retina display that you just can not see pixels? see? no absolutes all relative .

Sorry I had to be a smart-ass as what you've said is so clichéd]]>Aug 17th 2010 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/1) the first statement was for any class of camera, not a P&S vs DSLR comparison, I mean anyone who uses any camera for photography. No advancement in camera technology will ever substitute true vision and skill. (especially the vision part)

2) A digital viewfinder may show what the sensor takes, but after going through the digital darkroom, even the image the sensor takes will be different from what comes out. Most people use the viewfinder for composition, not trying to see how the photo will come out. But the thing with live view lcds is glare and reflections from the surface of the screen and with digital viewfinders, I find that many cameras which have them show color glares and blurs when some light source or another is within the frame. The sensor used for the viewfinder is not capable of adjusting for these light sources. With a glass mirror/prism viewfinder there is NO sensor which needs to try and adjust, though of course pointing the camera lens at a bright light source could hurt your eyes.]]>Aug 17th 2010 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
What are you even talking about, the camera on my phone is awesome and I'm an awesome photographer and don't need any fancy prism viewfinder thingamajibs that manufacturers only want to charge extra money for.]]>Aug 17th 2010 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
Ha ha ha ha hhaha a]]>Aug 17th 2010 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/That's a "a little bit" short-sighted.
[sarcasm mode on]
Because we still all listen to records, because CD's and now DVD-audio could never be as good as a record. Because we all still use film cameras instead of digital cameras. Nobody uses flourescent light, because it hurts everyone's eyes. And nobody will EVER use more than 640kB of RAM. And horses are much better than cars, because, as opposed to transportation they're also a good friend.
[sarcasm mode off]
What other opinions do you have about direction of technology? ]]>Aug 17th 2010 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
In the case of SLRs (not P&S, bridge cameras and phone cams which were designed more for larger consumer base than specialized purpose):
for the foreseeable future I truly think that analog viewfinders will outclass digital ones by a considerable margin. And some other advantages of mirror/prism viewfinders: doesn't use battery power, may likely be less prone to damage than a digital one (especially when you're on assignment with service-support miles away); and an active live view sensor suffers may suffer from overheating on prolong usage or temperature issues in hostile climates. Sure a traditional mirror SLR suffers from wear and tear too, but they're not as susceptible damage from environmental conditions as electronic circuits.

And lets face the truth here, for the same price as a Panosonic GF1 or an Olympus EP2 mentioned in the article above, you can be a very good entry level DSLR from Nikon or Canon with APS-C sensors (bigger than four thirds sensor sizes, the samsung NX10 has APS-C) which gives better DOF, better ISO quality (higher ISO on sensors do not always mean better), better field of view (the closer a sensor size is to the standard 35mm, if not bigger, the better. in my opinion at least).

Of course the advantage of these cameras is that they are smaller and weigh less, but then again sometimes a little extra weigh/mass on a camera can be very useful (there's only so much image stabilization can do, and the extra weight can act as a counter-balance for those action shots or panning shots).

Anyway, my original point for commenting is to point out that better technology doesn't always help in creating better photographs if you suck at it in the first place.]]>Aug 17th 2010 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Aug 17th 2010 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/Yeah, too bad they pretty much went all touch screen. Killed the camera for me]]>Aug 17th 2010 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
I tried a nex in a store. It feels like a toy and the lenses are way to big for the camera.

The usability of this thing is so bad its laughable. Smaller is not always better... a little bigger, more buttons and a easier accessible and more structed menu could have helped there.

The lenses still suck though. Not surprising since that thing is marketed towards the playstation crowd and not enthusiasts who want good quality *sharp* images...]]>Aug 17th 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/I have an NEX-5 and I have to say I love it. I think the best way to understand it though is not to think of it as a camera. It is not for people who love cameras. Sony is a gadget company and the NEX-5 is a gadget which takes very, very good pictures. I have to say my favorite aspect about the thing is that it tends to evoke violent reactions, positive and negative, from people who spend a lot of time around cameras and feel that they should be a certain way.

In terms of usability, I think it's fine. It's different. But it's fine.]]>Aug 17th 2010 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/NEX doesn't have a touch screen]]>Aug 17th 2010 12:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/The NEX 5 is better build then many DSLR,certainly the best built compact interchangeable lens camera.
The lens again is all metal,
the EPL-1 is more like a plastic toy.

If you want it to bigger and have more buttons ,then get youself a DSLR.
The main objective of NEX is the small form factor and class leading image quality,which it has achieved.]]>Aug 17th 2010 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/
With cameras particularly, I think it's critical to hold one in your hands and actually use one before buy it. It's how I ended up a dedicated Nikon fanatic; back in 2005 I was all set on buying a digital Rebel, but then I went into a store and held both the Rebel and the D70 - and my mind was quickly changed. The D70 felt the way I thought a camera should, the Rebel - with better specs on paper, felt wrong.

The problem comes when people start taking their preferences as absolutes. ]]>Aug 17th 2010 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/I think NEX is a LOSER.

The camera is aimed at a person who doesn't know how to use the camera, and probably doesn't EVEN WANT TO LEARN how to use a camera. It's difficult to convince an ignorant camera user to buy a 1000 dollar camera (I don't mean "ignorant" in a bad sense, it's the people who ignore what camera does, they just want A PICTURE). People who spend that much money on an APS-C sensor WILL want more, and what they're stuck with is controls THAT ARE WORSE than on some Point-N-Shoots.

It's a neat camera though.]]>Aug 17th 2010 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/mirrorless-camera-shootout-dslr-alternatives-get-sized-up-and-i/That makes it even worse then. So you have to navigate all the controls with one dial and a button?]]>Aug 17th 2010 3:19PM