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RandomRage

July 2nd 2009 1:10 am

A2DP or bust

I'm really interested in the Zune HD....as long as it supports Stereo Bluetooth (A2DP). So far, none of the released specs mention it, even though the iPod Touch and iPhones 3G and S will support it with 3.0.

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itsmescotty

I agree 100% - I had hoped for A2DP in the 1st gen Zune, then in the second - if they leave it out of this one I'll be mighty disappointed. There is no excuse for not including it, especially since even Apple offers it now.
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GEN3RIC

How could they leave out such a lightweight and essential technology when they threw in such a groundbreaking platform (Nvidia Tegra).. as far as I can tell, it has the best of everything. I would be baffled to see it release without A2DP.
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Fallenarms3

I don't think that the HD will include bluetooth. Bluetooth is easier to implement on the iPhone because as a phone it is expected to be able to interface with existing headsets. That makes it also easier to implement on the Touch because it is based heavily off the iPhone hardware. The Zune, however, does not have a phone cousin and therefore there is no real leverage to have BT included. What I hope they do is implement more Wifi. There are such things as Wifi headphones, and the player could also stream through your network to every connected speaker in your house. In reverse, you could also use Windows 7's "Play To" feature to stream through the Zune.
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RandomRage

Can you imagine the battery life on WiFi headphones? Not to mention the interference if you live in a crowded area, or the pain of network management. BT is way easier to manage for personal devices, and there are already tons of affordable and quality BT stereo products on the market.
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Dpmt

The Zune HD's phone cousin is Windows Mobile which the Zune HD is rumored to be based on.
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chuck07

Microsoft Project Pink
The Zune's phone cousin!!
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Fallenarms3

RandomRage, you make a good point, but I think Microsoft could probably work around it. I mean, basically everyone in a crowded area would also have a bluetooth headset (especially in cities). Of course, bluetooth has less range so there would be less interference.

WinMo does not count as a phone cousin. It's an OS. The whole point of my 'cousin' argument was that the *hardware* lent itself to bluetooth. It's just easier for Apple to mass-order parts for the iPhone and then use them in the Touch also. As for Project Pink, there's not quite enough info on that yet to be sure of anything. I'm not sure Microsoft is audacious (stupid?) enough to compete with its own licensing partners (HTC, Samsung, other WinMo licensees). And even then, I don't think the hardware will be based off of the HD. I DO, however, believe that the HD will upgrade its firmware to a modified WinMo7 Chassis 1 when that is released (minus phone), so Pink may actually be the other half of that, creating an iPhone/Touch environment clone.
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nosuch

Cousins in design but two different OS'es. Zune runs WinCE.
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Dpmt

WinMo (and almost undoubtedly Pink) runs over the CE kernel too.
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ubi79

I will definitely get the Zune HD ONLY IF the price is under $250 CAD because I think that this player can only rival the Ipod Touch if it's price is truly competitive.
I figure that if the rumoured price of $250-$280 USD is right, there must be some killer feature that Microsoft hasn't revealed yet. Otherwise, MS should release a Zune HD with a lower capacity (8GB?) for consumers not wanting to lighten their pockets so much.

On the other hand, this thing IS incredible!

-Ben
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ubi79

I will definitely get the Zune HD ONLY IF the price is under $250 CAD because I think that this player can only rival the Ipod Touch if it's price is truly competitive.
I figure that if the rumoured price of $250-$280 USD is right, there must be some killer feature that Microsoft hasn't revealed yet. Otherwise, MS should release a Zune HD with a lower capacity (8GB?) for consumers not wanting to lighten their pockets so much.

On the other hand, this thing IS incredible!

-Ben
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skittleswrapper

I used to think the same thing. I figured the Zune HD HAD to have Bluetooth to compete with the iPod Touch, but know I'm thinking the opposite. I was curious to know what kind of hardware the previous Zunes used to share media in Social. I found that it just used it's already present Wi-Fi to create an Ad-Hoc network. I looked up the difference between the two on the internet and found that Wi-Fi offers both much faster transfer speeds and a much larger range. I now don't understand why Apple decided to force iPod Touch users to use Bluetooth for transfering data locally as well as wireless gaming. Wi-Fi would actually be much more practical for those activities, especially since it already uses Wi-Fi.
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RandomRage

Yeah, but BT audio is still the standard for wireless headphones, and to not include it when it would add relatively little cost would be a poor decision. It's also nice for file transfers to and from devices that don't necessarily support an ad-hoc wi-fi network - think about pictures or videos you take with your camera phone and want to get on your Zune without using a computer as a bridge. Or tethering your Zune to your cell phone for internet connections when you don't have public wi-fi available. It'd be nice if BT 3.0 were finalized in time and the Zune were the first consumer device to feature it, but at least 2.0 for the headphones, please.
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RicardoDawkins

Stere BT is a no go for many people that love sound quality.

Even there is the future support of BT over WiFi
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akarol

And what's the problem with giving users the option? I, for one, would sacrifice a little of the sound quality for the convenience of being wireless. Especially during work.
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ohcapital

It would be nice to see stereo bluetooth for two reason: so I can finally use my Motorola ROKR headphones and to make car connectivity a million times easier.
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nosuch

Ok, I thought the same thing but then I went shopping A2DP headphones. Is there a pair out there that you'd want to use? They all look like junk to me.
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itsmescotty

Check out the Altec Lansing Backbeat 903's.
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RandomRage

I actually love my Insignia BT headphones. They're the cheap Best Buy brand, but they sound great and they fit pretty comfortably too. And the battery life is OUTRAGEOUS, I think I charge them once every couple of months (with admittedly light use, but still). The only drawback is the "on" indicator is a giant flashing insignia logo, so everyone around knows you're kind of cheap.
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MrThunderfield

I mashed up a pair of iGrado's (www.gradolabs.com­/product­_pages­/igrado.htm) with Nokia's BH-103 (usa.nokia.com­/find­-products­/accessories­/all­-access...) bluetooth headphones, and that sounds amazing. But now I can't buy anything that plays music that doesn't have A2DP.

So as amazing as the HD looks, no A2DP = no deal.
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Smurf

I'm getting the Zune HD, A2DP or not... but the lack of A2DP is easily the greatest disappointment in the device.

I use A2DP headphones with my phone and laptop and I have no desire to go back to cords. Darn it, Microsoft, what will it take to convince you to allow us the use of wireless headphones? They better be at LEAST an accessory for A2DP!
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MrThunderfield

Huh? What laptop has A2DP? I've searched for A2DP BT dongles, but I haven't found any.
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Smurf

I bought this gem: microcenter.com­/single­_product­_results.phtml­?produ...
(It is a super compact Zoom bluetooth adapter)

"The Model 4322 can maintain both A2DP/AVRCP (audio) profiles and an HSP (headset) profile concurrently when connecting to a headset. This allows toggling between music and telephony applications."

I leave it plugged into my netbook 24/7.
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