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Have any questions about OS X Mavericks (10.9) or iOS 10.7? Ask away!

If you have any questions about Mavericks or iOS 7, feel free to ask here. I'm running both operating systems and will do my best to answer any questions about new features, design, etc.

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mypape

Can you stream iTunes radio via airplay to multiple speakers each connected to a airport express? I have 6 airplay zones in my home and I am now considering sonos because I would like to be able to play the same pandora station over all zones. The only music I can "fire" all zones at once is the stuff I have downloaded to iTunes. If my imac will broadcast to all zones using itunes radio my problems are solved and have saved several thousands of dollars. Thanks for you help.
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WeekendHacker

I am trying to install Maverick but it asks me for a password even though I have removed passwords to log in (home machine)

Anyone know what the problem might be?

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Thomas
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Met

Did you try just pressing enter without a password? If you set it to not log into an account automatically, it has to ask you for a username and password, even if that username has no password.
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BFARR

Can you uninstall the developers os x preview from your computer?
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iroachie

The developer preview is like any other OS X installation. To get back your previous installation backup your files, format the drive then reinstall the previous OS.
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BFARR

A lot of bugs with this first build, as to be expected. Mavericks/Safari seems to have
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Met

I'm just going to paste exactly what I said in the iOS 7 thread to someone who made the same complaint there (just changed the word phone to computer):
Of course that's expected. There's a reason it's not available to the public. You should not use this on your primary computer. As a beta, this should only be used by developers trying to make use of the new APIs in the their own apps. It's even still beta 1, meaning it's barely ready for even developers to take a look at.
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iroachie

Hey i'm also running OS X Mavericks and i'm wondering if everyone is having the same problem. When you wake from sleep does it ask you for your password? Mine is just going straight to whatever i had open before i locked the screen.
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iroachie

I got it figured out it's a weird bug I had to disable to option to prompt for password. Then restart, then re-enable it then restart.
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cjtylr

I didn't have this problem, but I'm glad you figured it out!
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BFARR

Hi,
2 questions about Mavericks. How does keychains work? When entering a password if offers a complex password, but it doesn't auto fill it when I return to the site. Also did the this download come with iBooks? If you can direct me to where I can find a "users guide" I would greatly appreciate it.

Brian
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cjtylr

I'm going to venture a guess and say that iCloud Keychain isn't working properly yet. It seems perfectly eager to give you a password, but like you, I am unable to get it to Autofill the next time I log in. I would wait for a couple of builds before you start building a password database in iCloud Keychain so they can work out the kinks.

No, my download of Mavericks did not come with iBooks. It did come with Maps, but not iBooks. It's also not showing up in the Mac App Store for me, so I am just going to assume it's not a part of this build and will arrive later.

Hope this helps!
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piers

I see you also own an Apple TV, so I'd like to ask you the following - how easy/instantaneous is it to use the display attached to your Apple TV as an additional wireless monitor?
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cjtylr

This is a great question, and I will do some testing soon to figure it out and get back to you.
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timchoi89

Where can I download Maverick? Can I install Chrome OS on it? If so, where do I download Chrome OS?
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timchoi89

On serious note, are there any new mouse gestures in Maverick? Also...can you finally hide the newsstand app in a folder?
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cjtylr

I haven't noticed any new gestures, but yes you finally can hide the Newsstand app in folder. It's amazing.
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Met

Is the Newsstand app finally an app though, or does it still function kind of like a folder?
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cjtylr

It still functions similarly to a folder in that it houses all of your downloaded magazines/newspapers, but it no longer shows them on a wooden shelf on the app icon.
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Met

I really hate that about Newsstand! Why can't it be more consistent and be an app, like iBooks? -.-
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cass

Does iCloud Keychain work with Chrome or Firefox? I'm going to guess that Google and Mozilla would have to build that in, if Apple let's them.

Are any of the new features of iOS so amazing that you could never go back to iOS6? The move from iOS5 to iOS6 wasn't a huge improvement for me in terms of new hotness. Aside from the fresh coat of paint, I feel like iOS7 might not blow me away when I actually get my hands on it.

Also, should I install the beta??? I'm afraid of big bugs.
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Met

Features that would make you never even look back at the older iOS's? 2 imo:
1. Real multitasking. May not be apparent yet as I doubt any apps have taken advantage of this yet, but it will be a wonderful addition once developers adapt this.
2. Control Center. It's one of those things that made Android (Quick Settings) users feel the iPhone was so primitive.
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cjtylr

Actual multitasking and Control Center are fantastic additions. Notifications have also been greatly improved - it would be hard to go back to the old notification system.
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coologuy1957

how has multitasking changed from before?
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Met

Yeah, as ssstraub said, all apps are allowed to run in the background. Previously (as far as I remember), the only tasks you could run in the background were downloading/uploading stuff and audio playback. Now all tasks can run in the background, as is the case with Android and desktop OSes like OS X and Windows.

For example, if you get a WhatsApp message now on an iPhone, you'll get the notification. Open that notification and WhatsApp starts connecting to their WhatsApp server, then the message is downloaded into the app. It may take up to a few seconds since you open the app until the message actually delivers to the app. On Android with real multitasking as the iPhone will finally get, the moment your phone gets the notification, the app already has that message loaded and ready for you to read.
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ssstraub

All apps are allowed to run in the background, not just specific kinds.
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HenkPoley

btw, this works via the same App Nap system as is now in OS X Mavericks.

Basically they made a separate process queue with really low priorities and a limited amount of CPU time allotted. Invisible apps are automatically put on this list. So these apps can try to do heavy computations but won't get enough time to actually eat your battery. The App Nap limits are set so that when the front application is idle, your computer/phone uses about the same as when it would be idleing.
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cjtylr

I've only been able to get iCloud Keychain to work in the dev preview of Safari 6.1. I have no technical idea how Mozilla or Chrome would implement something like this, but it wouldn't surprise me if they tried - the functionality is pretty cool.

I'm a bit biased because I never really liked iOS 6 to begin with. I dealt with it for a while, but like many others found it to be overly plain. My faith in Apple was only renewed when I discovered I was able to jailbreak my iPhone and subsequently did so. The fact that this update brings many of my favorite jailbreak features is enough to make me stay faithful to iOS for a while longer.

There isn't much new hotness in terms of features, it's primarily focused on the design. Airdrop is really, surprisingly cool, but the design tweaks are obviously what differentiate this release from any before it, and I'm not planning on going back.

Unlike the iOS 5 beta, I have not noticed a single critical error that makes me need/want to downgrade. The phone has some issues with auto-app updates (sometimes they don't install all of the way), but the only time I could get the phone to reliably crash was downloading something to Newsstand while other apps were installing. I've heard reports of the phone losing speed, but I restored mine and then updated, instead of just updating, and have noticed no slow downs except when removing an app from the multitasking view. Fortunately, it feels more like a bug than the phone not being able to handle the animation.
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andrewkalies

I have some questions about Mavericks.
  • How different do you overall think Mavericks is compared to 10.8?
  • Any immediate differences you can notice? (Speed differences, general use things, etc.)
  • How well do the tags and tabs work?
  • How much skeuomorphism is still present, if any? Besides Calendar, do any other apps look significantly different?
And, although this is more of a subjective question, I'm still curious:
  • I know some influential people in the tech world have been calling it "What Mountain Lion should have been". Do you agree?
Thanks!
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cjtylr

  • I found 10.8 to be less of a departure from traditional OS X than Lion was, and feel similarly about Mavericks. There are very few obvious design changes, and more behind-the-scenes updates to make things just work better.
  • I'm running a pretty recent laptop (15-inch Retina) and never really noticed many slowdowns, but I haven't noticed any yet here, so I have to imagine the speed is at least somewhat improved. Now that the iPhone has Airdrop, I finally have some use for Airdrop, and that's nice.
  • Finder tabs are great. I'm not sure I have any use for tags at the moment, but I can see their potential.
  • Skeuomorphism seems to be gone for good. Contacts is flat, Notes is flat, and Calendar (as you said) is flat. Game Center is still skueomorphed, but I expect that to change considering the changes they made in iOS.
  • I definitely think Mountain Lion was less impactful than, say, Lion. If Mountain Lion features had been bundled with Mavericks features in one big release, I think it would have been pretty momentous. But when you're in the yearly OS update cycle, there's really only so much you can do to differentiate. Do I think tabbed finder and some of these changes could have made Mountain Lion better? Sure. Do I regret buying Mountain Lion because of its relative lack of features compared to Mavericks? Not at all.
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jonv

Does airdrop allow sharing between phone and mac and back again?
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cjtylr

Not yet, but I can't imagine they'd leave that out. One of the slides during WWDC showed an example of pushing Directions from Maps on 10.9 to your iPhone, so I have to imagine there's going to be some intractability there.
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andrewkalies

Excellent, thanks Chris!
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