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Ordeith

March 6th 2014 5:15 pm

Help with a ban, and a feature suggestion

I have a recent ban from commenting on articles but I don't know the cause of it. I have asked the banning moderator for copies of the offending comments, something I could see as an example of where I went wrong and what was not allowed, but have not received anything.

I have been a reader and commenter at Engadget for most of its 10 year history, and since the LiveFyre change have commented more than 5,000 times.

That history, and this experience, leads to my suggestion:

In an effort to make the comments a more civil place and to avoid a loss of readership I propose a different approach to just outright banning people when they cross the line, and that approach is communication.

Would it be possible to notify a commenter when they have been banned? And in that notification include the reason for the ban, the content of the post(s) that caused it, and the duration?

This could be helpful with deleted comments too, but probably impractical.

Help the commenters you have become better commenters. Give them examples when they cross the line. Show them respect and they will likely reciprocate that respect to you and the site. No one wants to end a long relationship with animosity, even if that relationship was with a blog (weird as it sounds).

On a self-serving but practical note it might not be a bad idea to take tenure into consideration when handling issues. A person with 5,000+ comments is more likely to be having an off day than someone with a new account.

A little customer service (and some constructive criticism) could go a long way.

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dave

I've seen plenty of your posts in Livefyre and have never had a problem, so it's weird to me that you were banned. I'll talk with the mod team and take a look at what's going on.

As a general rule, we do not contact banned users and it's not something I'm going to change amongst our mod team. I do appreciate your feedback though, but there's a few reasons that I have this policy -- it's mostly related to workload and the amount of users / comments that we have:
  1. We have pretty clear community guidelines and a zero strike policy. If someone is violating them, I'm going to toss them.
  2. Interestingly, I actually ban a lot of people each day. Mostly for being one-off accounts someone registered to troll a particular brand, insult another user, or post some pretty nasty content. Emailing these users would mean that we acknowledge them (which gives them validation for their attention seeking behavior) and alert them that they've been banned, which would enable them to potentially create a new account and start trolling again.
  3. Similarly, I delete a lot of comments from Engadget each day. Like literally hundreds of comments. They're mostly the same sort of stuff I mentioned above. Trolls, foul mouthed people, and those who are just being jerks. It would just be insanely prohibitive from a productivity standpoint to email each person we've deleted comments from.
That said, I completely agree that there should be more open communication.

Right now, the best way for this communication to happen is that the person who feels they have been wrongly banned contacts us either through the forums, email, or our contact page. It's not totally ideal, but at the same time someone who simply registered accounts to troll isn't going to take the time to contact us. I'm generally happy to investigate the issue and usually give people some additional chances to make things right.

Anyway, I'll take a look at this issue and send you an email shortly.

EDIT: words, man. words.
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Ordeith

Thanks. those are all good reasons. and I understand workload would be an issue. I appreciate the consideration regardless.

Thing is, we are not always wrongly banned exactly. Sometimes we are rightly banned and just need some time to cool off from a back and forth discussion that might have gotten out of hand. I know I am pretty far from perfect in this regard and sometimes emotions can get the better of us.

It can still be frustrating when LiveFyre seems designed to mask the ban so there is no feedback that it happened, and it can take a while to realize that what looks like more LiveFyre issues is actually a ban. There is also no feedback on duration, if we were just placed on a "time out" it would be nice to know.

But I completely understand if that is impractical.
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Ordeith

It's been a few days and I still can't comment.
Is there an update?
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stephend

I found I was banned (after noticing my posts were missing when I wasn't logged in), and when I asked why, the moderator told me he had no idea, apologised, and re-instated my good standing.

Now I find myself in the same situation again. Only this time I am not going to try to pursue it. We are fortunate to have a number of technology sites that have a good active community, and I find I am drawn to the ones that allow me to participate in the discussion. That is not what I get here any more, so I just don't visit that often. And, of course, I no longer even try to contribute (given that without anyone telling me, I am actually wasting my time - a bit underhand in my opinion).
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frankspin

Is your user name in livefyre the same as it is here?
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stephend

Yes, just the same in both.
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