iPod without iTunes?
The iPod touch seems to have a good collection of games of a sort that are better scaled for what I would want in a portable game device than the DS or the PSP. (I sold my PSP a while back)
So I'm considering an iPod with the primary application of casual gaming, with the secondary applications of web browsing and playing podcasts.
However I *hate* iTunes with a passion (quicktime too for that matter) and I don't want to have it touch my PC. Is it possible to setup and run the iPod touch without having to install iTunes?
If it is possible what functionality on the iPod do I miss out on?
My home network is made of a combination of Windows 7, Linux and A Windows Home Server. I've had macs in the past, but I currently don't have anything running OSX.
I see there is a Windows version of double twist and I had a quick look at their site and it looks like it would do media syncing quiet well.
I guess my largest concern is not how to transfer media to my device (which it looks like double twist would solve anyway thanks Farnsworth :) ). But is if iTunes is required for other bits and peices, like account setup for the app store, subscribing to podacsts and so on.
You can de-activate most of the features you find useless in the preferences.
or try this tinyurl.com/bu7vtw
Looks like the problem sits between the chair and the keyboard here.
Anyway, hope you enjoy the Touch, it's a brilliant device
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Now in my case, I've thrown in the towel as there are a lot of iTunes-needing features with either the Touch or the iPhone which make it inconvenient to ping-pong between something else and iTunes. And since I run SSD's or SAS RAIDs in all of the systems I use iTunes on - all Macs, another towel thrown in after three years of sweat and tears trying to get a usable cross-platform multi-computer setup going - it's actually not as much of a pain as it could be.
However, under Windows there are better music / media managers than iTunes which have extensive development put into them in trying to work with the Apple-locked-down Touch/iPhone. And looking at your profile, I'm assuming you're a Windows user.
Mediamonkey is one. There's a free version, and a paid-for version which does a better job of library monitoring. I haven't used it recently but it does promise Touch/iPhone syncing.
I'm partial to the paid-for (30 day trial) j.River Media Center, which is a hugely powerful media manager / player as well as handily capable in syncing. If I only had non-Touch/Phone iPods, I would probably stick with j.River. The Touch/iPhone is not supported by MC natively, but the second link points to a plugin which is a workaround.
That way you can use any Media SW to rip CD's to MP3 etc and do all your usual stuff, and just use iTunes to move files across and do firmware updates without it bloating out.
Unfortunately iTunes is like taxes, you can't avoid it forever
If it makes you feel any better, you can download all your games directly onto the device and not have to bother with iTunes. It has the browser and youtube functionality built-in, so nothing to mess with there... It looks like you just need iTunes for podcast and music syncing, two of the things IT IS actually good at......
I swear if software could hold a grudge.. iTunes did just that:
I installed itunes, plugged it in and told itunes 'don't sync anything' when it asked on startup. Though what the heck.. sync some music across (seeing as we are here) and left it to it.
After a while I got sick of waiting for the music to copy (about 5 gb or so) so I canceled the transfer and played with the touch for a bit.. installed a bunch of apps and all was happy.
Then suddenly all the 3rd party apps I had installed refused to launch.. I would tap, and they would flash up then back to the main menu. No amount of reboots/resets/reinstalls would fix this. Till eventually I did a full wipe to factory settings AND told iTunes that this was a new iPod, not the one it had seen before. Only with both of those did 3rd party apps start working again.
I've found that I can get my podcasts via the itunes app on the iPod without having to have a PC connected. It feels very clunky to me (I'm used to the podcasting app on the Nokia E71 which will pull podcasts down for you). But it works, and the iTunes app pretty much had every podcast I listen to.
Of course the next day a firmware update was released, so I plugged my iPod back into iTunes to get it. The next thing it did was an annoyance.. Despite being told not to sync podcasts it pulled all the podcasts I had downloaded on the iPod *off* it. Including the one I was listening to before I plugged it in.
I've not yet setup doubletwist (as my primary reason for a iPod Touch isn't the music) but I'll post a follow-up when I have.
Overall I would have to say I *am* quite enjoying the iPod Touch... iTunes not so much :) I do have a couple of usage questions.. but I'll start a new thread for them.
I went to setup double-twist and songbird last night. Turns out both failed.
Doubletwist requries that iTunes also be installed.
Songbird looks great.. but the iPod support dosn't extend to the iPhone or iPod Touch yet :(
I'm begining to suspect dmurray1981 is correct and iTunes is like taxes.. I'm going to be stuck with it if I want automated podcasts. (or till I can find a good podcasting app)
I do want to point out (again) that despite posting sob stories I am enjoying this gadget a lot.