Oh, one more thing about the Amazon tablet: the second, better version is coming very soon
Yesterday I posted about how the Kindle teams used the RIM PlayBook to get a color e-reader product out the door (gdgt.com/discuss/the-amazon-tablet-will-look-like-...). I stopped short of saying they're rushing it out the door, but by all accounts I've heard that it was indeed delayed. (It doesn't seem like much of a secret now that Amazon seems to have been trying to get a Kindle tablet out a little earlier this year.)
Well, this delay to get the "stopgap" Kindle tablet out in time for the holiday season this year may have pretty serious consequences for early adopters and holiday shoppers: my sources tell me the second-gen Kindle tablet (or Kindle Fire, as it's now been dubbed) will be out in Q1 of 2012 -- yes, that soon. That was always the plan, but the delays of the v1 product have messed up Amazon's release cycle.
And what's worse, the second tablet -- which Amazon didn't just take more or less off the shelf from ODM manufacturer Quanta -- seems to be the device Amazon really believes in.
Granted, in the hardware world there are often delays; timelines shift and cascade, strategies change, and launches get rejiggered all the time -- so this true 2nd-gen Kindle tablet may be pushed back, too. One can rarely say with certainty that a product will get out on schedule. But if all goes according to plan, it looks like you'll be seeing the second Kindle tablet not too long after you take the plastic off your first. If it was my money, I'd hold out a bit.
I'm an average consumer. (Well, okay, only a little bit of a geek). I waited along while before I finally caved and bought a Kindle. Only to have a newer, better version come out 3 months later. I was a tad perturbed.
I now have 2. But I guess that's to Amazon's advantage. It would have been 3 in Nov till I saw this article.
"most consumers" will care if their brand new purchase immediately gets replaced by a superior model shortly after they bought it, especially at launch. even if they don't understand what the specs are, they'll know that the newer model is somehow "better". Amazon does not want to fall into the pit that HP did with the TouchPad 4G.
What pit with the Touchpad 4G? Most people didn't even know the Touchpad existed, much less knew of another model. It's not that they don't understand specs and are simply waiting to be educated by us superior nerds. They know that specs exist, and they DON'T CARE. As long as the new Amazon thing does what it's supposed to, only a precious few geeks will be interested in its specs vs. a possible new model.
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Anyway, on a more mature level, and not speaking as one of "us superior nerds", see the controversial interview with HP/Palm regarding the TouchPad 4G's spec boost that would have alienated consumers, had it actually been released.
Has it occurred to you that your excellent reporting is missing the point of what Amazon is planning? The Engadget/Gizmodo/BGR obsession on "gdgts" is fun to write about and serves a certain readership, but neither Amazon nor the people they want to pick up a Fire are really about the device, any more than they were about an bistable monochrome display when they launched the first Kindle. It is about selling people experiences and things. Amazon may not be the pitch-perfect launcher of devices that Apple is because they can't be of course, but also because they don't care all that much, and they know a lot of their potential customers don't either? The same speculation about a quick successor greeted the first Kindle, but it did not stop adoption. Sure, this Playbook thing was a bit of a kludge, but they will get it right next time, but in the meantime a lot of people will start use their Kindle Fires to start watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer and reading magazines while shopping for purses or stereos.
I am a pretty big Kindle user, but of the service, not their device. It works great on my IPad, and buying from the browser as opposed to the app (Apple's new content policy) has not turned out to be a huge problem. I suspect that Bezos will be similarly pragmatic about the way people consume Amazon's goods and services in the future.
They may have just shrugged and said "oh well" and made do with what they got because it was better than what they had. When I bought my Kindle they came out with a newer one 6 months later. I was ticked, but shrugged my shoulders said "oh well" and made do because it was a lot better than nothing.
No....HP did no such thing. In fact, despite the long incubation period, it was essentially rushed out the door with its original specs (not that they were bad...but nothing was fully optimized), and all initial reviews reflected that.
Now if what you said was supposed to be sarcasm, consider that Amazon can succeed where HP failed by 1) pricing their product as loss leader and recouping their initial losses through all of the content they have in their ecosystem (Books, Movies/TV shows, Music, Magazines, and Apps)...and 2) Marketing their product properly. Amazon can, and most likely will launch a marketing blitz that'll put almost all of the other tablet playes to shame (with one notable fruity exception).
If Amazon does have a first gen tablet coming out this year, chances they will have a 2nd gen as well some time in the future. If you're the early adopter type and this meets your needs, then by all means, pull the trigger. You can always freeze and keep waiting and waiting for the next 'better' thing to come out.
Personally, an Amazon specific tablet sounds too specialized for me. Having a specialized device is one thing, but having a specialized device tied to a specific store does not sit well with me. I know the Nook and Kindle have had some success, but just look around you when you are out and about and see what is having great success. I like being able to buy and consume from whoever I want and I do not need multiple tablet devices.
Your statement contradicts itself: "but having a specialized device tied to a specific store does not sit well with me"..."just look around you when you are out and about and see what is having great success"...But isn't "that" also a specialized device tied to a specific store...or did something change??? Think about that for a minute.
Not sure where the contradiction is. I can get an ebook from any of the major retailers and read it on my iPad. I can shop anywhere I want from my iPad. I can watch video from a number of sources as well. I can easily put music on it as well that I have purchase from other sources. Now if I want to purchase apps, then I must go through Apple's store. Perhaps that was what you were getting at?
"Now if I want to purchase apps, then I must go through Apple's store. Perhaps that was what you were getting at?"
That was my point. Also, we haven't heard anything about a restriction on were you could buy your content from for the Kindle Tablet (besides AppsI mean), therefore it doesn't make it much different from the iPad in those respects. We're assuming that people will be restricted to the Kindle bookstore....we'll find out at tomorrow's event.
Exactamundo...Plus, let's not forget what already happened for the Nook Color...i'm pretty sure there's a Cyanogenmod Rom being cooked up as we speak...for a Dual core 7" $199 tablet...yeah...good times ahead.
That's so true, what were they thinking? However, there may be some people who might buy the Fire because they didn't know about the upgrade. I would have had I not stumbled onto this site. I just joined and am looking forward to using this site for reviewing any product I might be interested in buying.
Roberto above said something that us tech geeks should remember: "I can see people like my parents getting v1 over the holidays, not thinking at all that a better product will be out in a few months time."
The general populace won't be waiting for the better model coming soon, especially if this meets their needs, and is priced just right.
And you see now what I mean by priced right??? The next (possibly) superior model may cost anywhere from $249 to $349....but the Kindle Fire at $199 which will allow people to read books, magazines, watch videos, play games, Facebook, browse the web and shop all in one device....yeah...not much of a chance for tarnished reputations here.
so annoying. I recognize release dates slip given engineering challenges etc, but this is such a poor way to deliver a product. Sure they want the holiday sales (who wouldn't) but they will definitely be burning the loyal early adopter if a new, better (and the real) product arrives within the next quarter.
I have another inside tips, a much better and the iphone5 steve really wish for with higher resolution display and 5core cpu will be out 1st quarter 2012! unless there is a delay which might push it back to second or third quarter of 2012! if it were my money I will consider holding back until then!
GAH! I'm going to need a boost to my self control. I guess I can wait, but boy is that going to be a bitter pill if this isn't the way it goes down and I miss out on the euphoria, regardless of how short lived it is, of being among the first to get my hands on something new. I appreciate the heads up, Ryan. You may have just saved me a couple bucks.
My self control lasted about one hour. I'm curious to see this thing for myself. I think it will be very telling as to whether or not I purchase the bigger non stopgap one later. I'm also eager to see if it gets rooted and custom ROMs are available.
Hmm... I honestly already have a tablet though it is of a dying breed; TouchPad WebOS. I could make it useful someday by installing Android, when the homebrew community finishes their version, but I'm always iffy with making things do what it's not intended to do.
If I do get a Kindle tablet, I will look for the one that's similar to the Kindle 3 with ads. Honestly the discounts I get from the ads practically paid for the device already (i.e. really big discount on items, or selling the discount codes online). So whichever Kindle tablet version has this function, I will go for that one.
I'm glad you warned us of the newer version coming up. When I bought my Kindle, 6 months later they came up with a newer one. I am going to wait 'cause I love my Kindle now but am REALLY interested in the later version.
For a stopgap tablet it seams to still hold it's own against other Android tablet, of course I say that without having seen, held or even experienced the product. Do you think that if you bought one you will regret it being an average consumer, or that the new one when it comes out will be so much better that everyone will regret buying v1?
If I had bought it and then they came out with a new one, I would be a tad frustrated. But then that is the nature of the beast in technology. I try to wait as with the ipad, iphone, etc, they all have a few problems at first.
This feels a lot like a defensive PR move from competitors to try and reduce sales. Even if it's true I'm sure they'd push it back a bit, maybe even hold it in reserve to launch against the next Nook or iPad.
Hey Ryan, this second tablet will be the 10" Kindle? I am wondering how that would work because Amazon heavily customized Android 2.2 to make the Kindle Fire and I always thought that 2.2 wouldn't run on anything bigger than a 7" screen. Also, Google never open sourced Honeycomb so Amazon can't do the same with Android 3 for a 10" tablet.