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rbickley

Technically this is faster than the Retina, and cheaper, and it has a disc drive... I think I can live with seeing a few pixels.

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Omegaultra

And you would be wrong. Maybe the cpu is a tad bit faster but the overall experience is much better on the retina. Better iGpu, better ssd which is boatloads faster than hdd, better wifi card, lighter, more power efficient, and yes a beautiful screen. Sorry buddy but for a dvd drive.... it isnt worth the tradeoff anymore.
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rbickley

Your facts are correct, but there are disadvantages to the Retina too. There's the issue of developers who don't support the display, you're limited to 512 GB on the SSD, and for the price of a basic Retina you can afford a pretty maxed out regular MacBook Pro. I understand / respect where you're coming from, but in terms of value I don't think you can go wrong with the standard Pro.
From experience as well, a friend of mine bought the Retina 15'' last year, and he's had to take it in to Apple on 2 occasions (that I know of.) These issues may have been worked out by the second year, but I know that my '09 MBP (with a 2 duo) still runs everything but final cut just fine.
I don't mean to deter people from buying the Retina version, but I would strongly recommend checking the numbers and making an informed choice before buying the one with the shiny new screen.
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Omegaultra

The industry is moving towards retina type screens and developers will make their programs compatible with it. Just look at ipad. You could say when it came out there is no compatibility with apps or very few but now there are thousands and thousands of them. Retina is the future. I mean if you want to live in the past go ahead. Like with cars, older cars have less parts, are less complicated and thus have a generally lower rate of failure while new cars with all the fancy technology there is much more likeliness that something will go wrong. are you only going to buy old cars? Maybe you will and more power to you but technology is moving to high pixel screens and developers will all update or make their programs for these new screens.
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rbickley

As I said to Frank, the retina MBP is an excellent computer. I just personally think the standard model is better value.
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Omegaultra

I would not agree with that statement but I understand you are thinking of it in an apples to apples kind of view where 500gb > 128gb for the base models. While I do agree that 128 gb is not enough space for me, it's not apples to apples. Its more like floppy disk vs cd or dvd vs blue ray. yes the old one is cheaper much cheaper but the capabilities of the new one is so much higher/better that it's hard to directly correlate value as in dollars per gb because while you have more storage you will be stuck on a load screen while I will be enjoying my content :)
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rbickley

Think of it this way, to continue with your metaphor:
Imagine that a DVD that can hold 3 hours of video, and then BluRay comes out, but BluRay can only hold an hour and a half. Which one do you buy?

I also don't mean to compare "apples to apples," but since both (let's be honest), are great Apple notebooks, they are quite similar products. You must also consider factors besides storage media, as I did in earlier posts. The hard drive isn't the ONLY component. Sure, SSD is a hell of a lot faster, but other factors must be considered.
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Omegaultra

In the end all I can say is that the cmbp is last generation technology in every sense, screen, harddrive, cpu, gpu, I/o ports, and you could even argue weight. The reason apple didnt discontinue it yet is because of people like you who may place a much larger value on large internal hard drive space a lower price point and internal dvd drive. But it will be gone in the next revision of the product. And in my opinion paying a little less for last generation product is not worth it to me and the value is far lower as it will inevitably be outdated faster than the new rMBP.
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rbickley

You're right about hard drive and graphics, (I think the Retina has newer Intel GFX built in), but both are on the same set of CPU's and both have quite comparable I/O arrangements.
If they're gone in the next revision, I guess I had better buy one while I can! I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. :) If you prefer the Retina, that's fine, I just think I'm gonna stick to the standard screen version for a while. It's all about what you want from your computer, and if it's all about resolution / hard drive response for you, then the Retina is your jam.
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Omegaultra

One more note. Engadgets motto is "For the early adopter in all of us." You sir dont sound like an early adopter to me :).
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frankspin

Having moved from a MacBook Pro to a Retina model I have to disagree here. The SSD alone make this 100x faster than the MacBook Pro's mechanical harddrive.
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rbickley

This is true, but you don't get a whole lot of space on the SSD. I'm not sure the new features are worth the slower speeds, resolution glitches, and extra cash.
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frankspin

The retina model I have is 500GB which is plenty of space for my needs.
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rbickley

Don't get me wrong, the retina MBP is an excellent computer. I just personally think the standard model is better value.
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Vw

yup
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soule

You can always upgrade the HDD to an SSD in a non-retina MBP. I have a 13-inch non retina (bought in August) and I plan to upgrade it to an SSD and more ram once performance starts to pinch - I like it a lot just for its upgradability.
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infinityPlusOne

I can't remember the last time I needed to use a DVD, or CD in my computer. I love my 15-inch rMBP. The SSD alone makes it so much faster.
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rbickley

I used a disc to install a game yesterday XD. Different users, different needs I guess.
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frankspin

I think this is the most important thing stated in this discussion so far!

We all have different needs and wants in our computing devices so it's always important to keep this in perspective when debating the benefits, and weakness, of a product.
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rbickley

Absolutely agree.
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Omegaultra

Except that 100% of new games will have a digital option so you only need it for old games. If you buy 1 external dvd drive you won't need to carry that extra weight on your actual laptop on a day to day basis.
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rbickley

In my case, old games, ripping music / video from discs, etc. It's just a utility feature that I find pretty useful (at least in my case.)
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