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brett

This morning I ran across this article and it made me happy that other people are actually paying attention to the lies that Jobs spews during most of his…

keynotes. tech.fortune.cnn.com­/2011­/03­/03­/steve­-jobs­-reality...

While the article gets petty, it's still satisfying to read it in some ways. For me, it's very important that a company be honest, and Apple has just never cut it in that respect. Outright lies during a keynote, similar to the ones Apple told when criticizing Windows during the many OS X keynotes, shouldn't be part of a tech company's vocabulary. Apple has enough good things going for it without needing to add all this negative fluff into the mix.

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cass

At the end of the day, I'm interested in the product, not any of the "we're number one" stuff that Jobs' talks about for the first portion of his keynotes. The products speak for themselves.
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brett

Exactly. The iPad 2 offers the best experience out there right now, why not show that of instead of fictional material? Maybe we'll never know.
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ArmpitOfDeath

Well - everything Apple does comes from that mentality. Their boss thoroughly understands (and is clearly rather contemptuous of) how other regular people think.
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radikal

ghaha, he just should just get out there, show it and let us all wonder til it is out.
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donjumpsuit

Everyone lies. The microscope seems to focus on Apple more aggressively due to their success and the anger they conjure up. You see, no one cares about Motorola tablets. They may lie, but if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a noise? Most of the lies this article points out that you herald are opinions, far from facts. If you told me you were smart, would it be fair for me to call you a lier?

I rarely pay attention to words, as they are all fluff. I pay attention to actions, and Apple proves year after year, they are interested in results and products that work as advertised. The other tablets may work today, but what happens when they get buggy, or you install a piece of software the causes it to crash? What happens when you realize that the touchscreen isn't as precise as it should be?

I know Apple would never put out a substandard product, and this is what creates trust. Steve Jobs talking smack about other companies? That's just comedy.
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brett

No, it wouldn't be fair. Also, you spelled liar wrong.

There's no denying that the iPad and other Apple products are really nice, but this shouldn't give them license to create fictional materials for their presentation. And the things in the presentation are shown as fact, not opinion. I'm not just writing about this article either; it's a consistent trend. Either way, it won't stop Apple's success in the consumer space which works out for both the company and us in the end.
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majipoor

You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

The Samsung CEO quote is an error which has spread over the entire internet before Samsung give the correct version. I agree that Apple is not very clever here, but it looks to me more like an error than a lie.

The >90% market share is at most a quite minor exaggeration or the truth. Worst case, Apple has 15/(15+2) = 88% share and it is probably higher indeed as you know (but maybe won't admit) that all iPad shipped are actually sold (supplies are constrained for the iPad) while Samsung's figure is only for shipped devices. And whether it is devices shipped during 9 months or 3 months is not relevant: SJ explicitly state "2010 share".

For the "first dual-core tablet to ship in volume" is for sure debatable, but until you give me a precise figure for how much is "in volume" and you can tell me how much Xoom of Streak have been sold so far, it is mostly a matter of interpretation and definitely not a lie. Moreover, if you listen carefully to what SJ said, it was not given as a indisputable fact, more like "I think we can say that the iPad...".

Do you really expect Apple to be the only company to tell only the verifiable truth based on measurable facts during commercial presentations of new products to the Press?
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donjumpsuit

I don't call many people or companies a liar's that often, so my spelling of it may be suspect. Look I agree with you. I want a word filled with rainbows and smiley faces, but it just isn't reality.
Just as long as a company isn't risking my health or misrepresenting a product they are trying to sell I am fine with whatever statement they think they are trying to make.
Internet service providers tell me they guarantee me one speed, and I never consistently get it. Are they liar's?

Sometimes my bread expires before the expiration date. Are they liar's?

My girlfriend told me she loved me, then we broke up. Is she a liar?
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cass

I agree with you that Apple's events have a high profile than most other companies, but to say that all companies lie is bold statement to make. I don't recall any lies or stretching of the truth from any Xoom announcement. And saying that no one cares about Motorola tablets is completely untrue. As of right now, 462 people have the Xoom on their want list: gdgt.com­/motorola­/xoom/

The validity of some the points in that Fortune article are a bit fuzzy: what does "ship in volume" mean? Is the iPad the cheapest option when considering specs? What about user experience? But the 90% market share and the Samsung quote are obviously incorrect.

At the end of the day, does it really matter? To some people, maybe. But for most of us, I don't think these "facts" will make us want the iPad any more or less, nor affect the success of the product.
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majipoor

During most if his keynotes, I've seen amazing iMovie and GarageBand demo and the presentation of the iPad 2. Didn't you see that?

The 3 "lies" are just PR things and are not different that lies from Motorola or RIM or Google or any other company when they have to talk about competitors. The difference being that everybody care about Steve Jobs, whether it is because one likes him or hates him, while nobody cares about what other CEO say.
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brett

I'm just talking about a company speaking honestly about their products instead of making underhanded and/or false comments about other companies. Of course the products Apple turns out are great, as I've said a couple times now (Didn't you see that?). This doesn't change the fact that I disagree with their tactics and mindset.
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