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September 28th 2009 2:32 pm

Why does anyone wants this? Its just Vista with a new skin on it.

I don't get why anyone wants to pay hundreds of dollars to get a new skin on Vista.

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Neel

This is such a troll thread, but it just keeps on getting bumped, so I'll post...

I lub Windows 7

Aero Snap FTW!
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ArmpitOfDeath

Aero Snap is actually one of the first things I turn off. Drives me up the wall, or should I say up the sides of the screen :p
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deinfinityx

Its not so much a new skin as a faster smoother running vista, they optimized everything and removed a lot that slowed vista down. Honestly its really no different then upgrading in OSX or Linux(except linux is free). I know there was a big discussion on how much better 7 is compared to vista so i might even buy a disc myself.
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Padilla7921

Because Windows 7 offers better performance over Vista. Simple as that. I don't think people would be complaining that much if Microsoft wasn't charging exorbitant amounts for 7.
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coologuy1957

Win7 is designed to run with lower requirements than Vista as well so it can go from netbooks to crazy spec'ed PCs and run better than Vista all around - faster bootup, shutdown, FPS, program launches, everything!
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greedobuck

Windows 7 boots slightly faster than Vista, but who the hell reboots their computer more than once a week these days? I only reboot if I install something that won't work until I reboot or the one time every couple of months that my PC crashes.

I keep hearing boot times being brought up...but saving 5 seconds once a month isn't a high priority for me. It's a false economy.
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deinfinityx

Well again i think the main reason for the boot times has been on laptops and netbooks, i wouldn't leave my laptop on all the time so a faster boot would be nice. I usually turn it on twice a day or so, mainly since the power cord is bad and the battery sucks.
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kris

>>but who the hell reboots their computer more than once a week these days?

Me. I don't like leaving my computer on all the time.
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kris

Looking at it from that point of view, why does anyone want Snow Leopard?
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deinfinityx

I was going to go there but it is a completely valid point and cost as much.
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greedobuck

Because Steve Jobs tells them to.
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coologuy1957

just read any of the Vista vs Win7 head to head comparo's and you'll have your answer.... (performance based comparisons...)
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itchyeyes

My opinion of Win 7 goes back and forth. The OP certainly has a point. The changes between Vista and Win 7 are rather small (basically just a new UI and some performance optimizations). A lot of the perceived improvements in Win 7 actually have nothing to do with the OS (eg improvements in hardware over the last 3 years and a mature driver environment). In a perfect world, Win 7 would have been a service pack and we wouldn't all be talking about whether or not to throw down $100-$200 for it.

The problem is that there's so much FUD floating around about Vista that Microsoft didn't really have a choice here. They had to kill off the Vista product line and replace it with something that the general public doesn't associate with a buggy mess (regardless of what the reality may be).

Also, while the changes between Vista and Win 7 may be small, they are significant. The new UI isn't just a shiny new skin, but a significantly improved way to interact with the OS. The performance gains may not have much of an impact on how well the OS works on the average PC, but they're a make or break difference on low powered devices like netbooks.

So while I'm a little bit steamed that we're forced to pay for what probably should have been a free update, I think that overall the improvements are still worth paying for.
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greedobuck

You make an excellent point about drivers maturing. When Vista first came out I had quite a few issues (mostly with my graphics card). Vista 'broke' stuff that worked under XP, and some hardware manufactures were very slow to make solid drivers (*cough*nVidia*cough*). I have not had a single hardware issue with Windows 7, and most stuff just uses the Vista drivers that weren't available until a year into Vista's life. Right away that is an advantage for the average user.

And also most software is now compatible with Vista (and therefore 7). Compatibility was wrecked when Vista came out because a lot of software developers were not programming to the correct specs, which they could get away with under XP.

However Windows 7 has broken some software...
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nosuch

Well, multi-touch support is nice for one. Yes it could be done on Vista but it wasn't baked into the OS (so every app's interpretation of a Zoom was different). I also like the new internet streaming functionality in Windows Media Player - I listen to the music on my home machine when I'm at work over the web. Windows Media Center also got some huge upgrades and can now DVR HD content without a bunch of hacks. The biggest bonus though is that it doesn't look or feel like Vista at all. It's fast and looks clean and new. It's a great upgrade IMO and very well worth the money. I would never go back to Vista after using 7 for 9 months now.
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greedobuck

It would be interesting to go back to Vista. I use XP at work and Windows 7 at home (PC and media centre). I wonder what I'd miss from Windows 7 if I tried to go back to Vista. I know when I started using XP again after using only Vista I was shocked at just how many little things I missed...just simple things like editing meta data from Explorer, etc (and of course stability - Windows XP crashes way too often).

The only Windows 7 thing I can think of is 'docking' windows to the side of the screen. I suppose the interface is more consistent as well. It's hard to tell without running both OSes.
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toddjy

"Windows XP crashes way too often"? And yet you say you only restart your computer every month or so? Do you remember 95 to ME? We were lucky if we could go a day without a crash.
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hovis

"Why would anyone want Windows XP, it's just 2000 with a new (Fisher Price) skin."

"Why would anyone want Windows 98, it's just 95 with different color gradients."

etc.

Standpoints like this are just ignorant of the technology behind the platform. We wouldn't get anywhere if we just scrapped the entire codebase for every release.
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mattattaxx

it's incredibly ignorant to say Windows 7 is a skinned Windows Vista. Have you read anything about either of these operating systems?
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coologuy1957

ya, thanks man. anyone who thinks this is true should put vista on their netbook.... and Win7 manages the windows sizing and placement much better than before as well...
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janvillarosa

Uhh.. Have you tried 7? You might wanna do more research..

Windows 7 is more than Vista with a new skin. This OS much faster and reliable considering I have tested it for 2 months now and I am loving it. I agree with the others that this kind of standpoint is inconsiderable and very ignorant. You can say that statement on everything.
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greedobuck

While I agree with your comment, I disagree that Windows 7 is more reliable and much faster than Vista. Any speed difference is, in my experience, only measurable with benchmarks - i.e. not noticeable under normal usage.

As for reliability Windows 7 is less stable for me than Vista (comparing Vista 2 years after release to pre-release Windows 7 of course). With Vista I barely recall a single crash once the nVidia drivers were mature. Windows 7 is very stable compared to XP, but I do get the occasional crash (in fact, my laptop crashed today, which totally ruined a game I was winning at the time...).

I think stability and performance are not important these days. PCs are now so powerful that Microsoft will find it difficult to create an OS that bogs down the system (hard to believe, I know :) ), and I think stability is now as good as it's going to get realistically. Mixing software and hardware like we do it's acceptable for something to go wrong every now and again.
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AlexDP

I suggest you actually try it, or at least read more about it before talking about something you obviously have no idea about (either that or your an Apple fan boy trying to further extend Apple's disgraceful smear campaign with such claims...)
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pika2000

You have a point. Windows 7 IS Vista. Sure, Microsoft did a good job in optimizing 7 to perform well, even on hardware that previously would not run well on Vista, but if you already have Vista running fine, I agree with the OP that it is probably not worth the money to upgrade to 7, unless you get it for free/cheap. There are exceptions of course. 7 has features that some might find a must-have, eg. the cablecard support. Of course, the question is whether it's worth the price or not, especially if you're previously on Vista Ultimate.

Microsoft targeted 7 towards XP users that didn't want to/couldn't upgrade to Vista. If you're an XP user, it's worth checking out 7 (although the retail pricing definitely will turn off a lot of people, until they get a new PC with 7 pre-installed). All my systems with Win7 RC were previously XP machines. On the other hand, I didn't bother to upgrade my Vista machines to 7 as I don't see any reason to (Vista is working fine on them).

I can see the trend now. The OP is simply saying his/her opinion about Windows 7 vs Vista, and people are already labeling him/her as Apple fanboy. Really? Is this what gdgt turning into?
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jupigare

The opinion the OP presented is valid, but it's presented in a snarky "I don't get it and I really don't want to" attitude. That's the difference between simply criticizing a product and coming off as a fanboy of its opponents.

There are a lot of things people criticize about Vista, but they weren't all called Apple fanboys. They had experience with the product and gave specific reasons for their distaste of the OS: wonky driver support was a big one; and clunky, slow-based performance was the other. Many looked past the interface changes and talked about the underlying problems.

If the OP could tell me in a convincing way what's missing with Windows 7, something attained only after real hands-on experience with it, then I'll be more open to his opinion. Until then, he just appears to me (and to many others) to be little more than a fanboy.
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pika2000

He/she is not any different than any other people that are bragging about Windows 7 being "fast" without giving any more details. Yet I don't see anybody here labeled as "Windows fanboys." The OP did not even mention anything about Apple, yet he/she is already labeled as "Apple fanboy." Really? Even worse, look at the post above me, claiming that it's "Apple's disgraceful smear campaign." Really? Who's talking about Apple here? It's like labeling anybody that say anything positive about Windows as "Apple haters." Gimme a break. If you want to do a productive discussion, then simply explain to the OP the pluses and minuses about Windows 7. Labeling him/her as a fanboy is just another trollish behavior.
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coologuy1957

theres a ton of articles you can read comparing Win7 to XP and to Vista and trumping both. That doesn't mean I'm going to run out and upgrade seeing as how I have machines that work fine with XP and I'm dual-booting Win7 RC. But it is amazing to read the advances Microsoft has made with Win7....
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happyschneider

rubbish, the OP was posting in an aggressive way to heat up discussion. I fully agree, you can always discuss any parts of any product and whenever there is a change in a product line there will always people which want the "old" back and people who can't wait for the new. The question is how you do the discussion and with what goal. The OP did not start this discussion to see other peoples opinion but to rant about the Windows 7 hype. Personally I fully agree with every poster who states that the OP never actually used Windows 7. I was actually disappointed that Windows 7 still looked so much like Vista. But it is definitely more stable (have not had a single problem since installed whiles I re installed windows Vista 7 (seven) times since I bought the computer 2 years ago). The security issue is much less nerve killing (yet still not where it should be) and I definitely feel an increase in start up speed, whether you deny it or not ;)

I wouldn't label the OP an Apple fanboy or a Microsoft hater, not even a Windows 7 hater. I have the feeling that he just wanted to be heard for once ;)
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stridermt2k

Because 7 worked for me as a beta when I didn't have the money to buy Vista 64 bit for my gaming computer and didn't want to steal it somewhere.

Because 7 got even better as a Release Candidate and by then it was also kicking ass on my Atom netbook as well as my Core i7 gaming rig.

Because unlike Vista, I could see true reasons to upgrade my OS from Windows XP.

Because of these things. Because this time they appear to have gotten it pretty close to "right" for me.

THAT is why Microsoft will get my money for multiple copies of Windows 7.


I say run what makes you happy and stop being so hung up on what other people do.
We can coexist if we want to.
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DaveWhittingham

Anyone who thinks that Windows 7 is just Vista with a coat of paint needs to look here: en.wikipedia.org­/wiki­/Features­_new­_to­_Windows­_7
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deinfinityx

Great link, thank you, i was meaning to look at all the features.
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coologuy1957

lol - I copied that wiki page of new win7 features and it was 27 pages long!!! um, ya, its just a skin alright!!
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georgemag

It's faster and crashes less than Vista. Works great on older machines.
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jsoques

I used XP then moved to Vista, hated it, then tried Windows 7 and love it. No more explaining.
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Skinnx86

Vista was just a stepping stone towards a OS with Aero. Most of the faults with Vista has been sorted out with patches and hotfixes, all of which are also included in Win7.

Whilst using Win7 Beta/RC on my PC it worked brilliantly with all my apps (apart from AV, as AV Engines need to be optimised for each OS).

MS has also moved some basic things into clear view, that should of been done years ago.

Not only this, but starting with Vista and perfecting it in Win7, is the MinWin Kernal (en.wikipedia.org­/wiki­/MinWin). MinWin has been stripped down, optimised and modulated and will feature in WinMo7.

In a nutshell: Windows 7 is going to be worth getting, whether you get via a retail store or bittorrent.
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Creegz

You couldn't be more wrong. I used the RC for about a month strait, coming from Vista, that they improved a lot of things. The taskbar is a lot more functional now, for once. They have done a lot of little things with the OS like improved RAM usage, better dual core handling, and tons of tweaks that were sorely needed with Vista. It's a combination of XP and Vista with some snazzy new add on's. It's significantly more stable too. I did an upgrade from Vista x64 to 7 x64 and my vista install was blue screening after stupid things like plugging in my cooling pad and mouse within a couple minutes of eachother, i didn't get blue screens when i tried on 7. They have finally made an OS that is stable, clean and functional.
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coologuy1957

well... ya, but is that a reason to upgrade???? :P


.........LOL
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MrMattux

NO. This is not vista with a new skin. This is a fantastic product. It runs very well and has 0 parts of the trouble I had with Vista.
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coologuy1957

This has been the most informative Win7 comparison I've read yet... www.maximumpc.com­/article­/reviews­/windows­_7­_review...

Since gdgt doesn't accept that site yet, here is as good a place as any to post it...
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coologuy1957

its even more interesting because their is no "one" best windows OS... even in the benchmark tests, the results were all over the place. XP won a lot, Win7 won a lot and Vista seemingly had the fewest victories overall. its nice to see when I do get a new computer though, win7 will be a great OS nonetheless...
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BucksterMcgee

For anyone who actually hasn't used Windows 7 yet, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I've been running Win 7 of a numerous machines ranging from 5 year old laptops, and ultra low power machines, to netbooks, and modern day quad core machines. I would say that you notice the biggest differences on low end machines, then you do modern machines, but even then there are improvements for speed.

Modern machines aren't limited by Vista as much, but even so Windows 7 has many changes that even improve a brand new machine. Multithreading for one, especially with hyper threading has been greatly improved with Win 7. Where as before multiple core machines didn't see as much improvement for more cores over clock speed, now more cores are seeing their full use be implimented

But, really the most noticeable speed improvement is with low end hardware. My old laptop feels like and brand new machine with Windows 7 on it. My laptop was released in January of 2005, but yet it runs smooth and crisp with Windows 7 on it. It even runs better then XP did when it first was on this machine. It's something you just have to try for yourself.

As for a paint job? lol. There's almost not a single part of the OS that hasn't been checked and scruntinized to make it better. Any ui changes weren't just to be "different" but to actually improve the daily use of the OS, and you better belive they do. Even small thing like placement of icons in the windows explorer bar is incredibly helpful. Things have be moved, redsigned, and painstakenly perfected for the best user experience. Entire parts of the OS have been combined and redsigned, and even some unessasary parts removed. If you just look at an one open window and see that that the outside chrome looks similiar too Vista, and write it off as just a paint job, then obviously you haven't spent any real time with the OS, and are probably just listening to some bias idiot who doesn't know what they are talking about either.

All the aero abilities are wonderful, and I literally use them everyday. When I go back to Vista I miss all these features not in Windows 7. I feel like i'm using an frustratingly updated system, which is so much nicer in WIndows 7. Don't get me started on XP. People who cling to that like a secrity blanket are just sad.

The bottom line is that Windows 7 makes a noticeable improvement in my daily digital life. It makes it easier to do all sorts of taks, and I spend less time trying to find or open or get to something and more time to just do it, and get it done. All this without any hardware updates at all. Again my laptops from 2005, and it runs great with Windows 7.
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gmmoon1218

I'd agree, as a computer professional with 22 years of experience, our organization in NO WAY would make an upgrade to Vista, and we have over 800 user systems on Windows XP. But we will most definitely be moving to 7. On our test machines, the performance certainly beats Vista, but moreover, it has usability enhancements and corrections to Vista's interface that will actually make users more productive, not fumbling around to find the new features - as Vista caused in the lab.

We've run tests of 7 with desktops and laptops from 2005, (Dell Optiplex desktops and Inspiron laptops) and they run 7 very well. These would run Vista, but there was a noticeable performance hit. Windows 7 is at least on par performance wise with XP, and considering the additional code involved, that's quite a feat.

I'm not necessarily a Microsoft fan, but their position in the market makes them an entrenched necessity. So, it's good to see they've developed an OS that's worthy of upgrading to. One reviewer titled their review "Microsoft gets its Mojo back." I believe that's true. I consider Vista a bone that they threw to the public early while they perfected the actual vision of Windows 7.
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coologuy1957

Those are all harsh words for people who can't afford to upgrade... but thanks anyway...
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Skinnx86

It's true that older laptops run smoother with Windows 7. The 1st manchine I tested was and old Dell Studio D600. I had previously installed both WinXP and LinuxMint on this laptop and buy comparison Win7 was more akin to LinuxMint in terms of speed. Usability in daily life has been made easier too; things like Make New Folder and the USB Device Eject buttons have been relocated into the explorer toolbar, and Aero Shake, etc. make resizing a window a doddle.

@gmmoon1218: Vista was exactly like Windows ME, just something too keep the public happy / in anticipation of the next OS Microsoft had around the corner.
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dsjr2006

True. It runs better though and provides a nice visual upgrade. Their are claims of improved multi-core usage etc. but those have yet to be substantiated.
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dan325013

Haha I'm a Mac & Windows user, dude you're so wrong. This is not even close to Vista with a skin on it. It actually performs without raping your system's sources..... this is NOT Vista.
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juicycook

It is so much more than a skin. The new task bar is one of the main new features I love because you can pin anything to it and it cuts down on the clutter. And I got my version for free through a promotion from Microsoft. I have never heard of an Apple promotion in which thousands of copies of their new os (aka updates to OSX) were given away.
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Cyberhome

Why? I tell you why:
The new windows 7 had been built with better coding, that is why it start faster, sulfing the web better, the skin was improve with more choice, application running smoother. Generally, the response time is better than ever.
I am running on a 64 bit Windows 7 Ultimate and so far every perfect, it worth the buying.
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roundcube

I think, with not much experience, that it is just a debugged version of Vista with some new looks and several features to attract potential Mac customers.

I'm sorry I'm so cynical, but I'll stick with Vista.
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