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coologuy1957

March 25th 2010 8:50 pm

Why Netflix will go unused on my Wii....

So I just read the Engadget article about the Wii Netflix discs shipping... normally I would be pretty happy but now I know this will go unused in my home. Let me tell you why. I keep getting this message from Netflix: "YOU HAVE REACHED YOUR LIMIT OF 6 DEVICES". When I go to my account and click "Manage Netflix ready devices and computers", it shows a list of 6 devices registered - the list goes: Xbox 360, PS3 System, PC, Xbox 360, Xbox 360, Roku. Now I know this isn't a typical setup as I own two Xboxes, a PS3, and have enabled Netflix on my roommates Xbox also. It still horribly pisses me off that there is an arbitrary device limit!! For what reason does this exist???!!

You mean to tell me that if I choose to buy 20 Roku boxes that I can't do that??! What if I want a Roku on every TV in the house? What if I have 5 computers?? (I do) What if I want 15 Roku's/Xboxes/PS3's/Wii's/PC's streaming Netflix simultaneously?? If I pay my subscription fee why can't I do that??

I was so excited when I got my Roku that I could have Netflix and Pandora on in my kitchen where there is no cable/ethernet hookups! I turned on Netflix on 3 devices to see if I could stream on all of them for fun one day. Lo and behold I got another warning screen from Netflix. "You can only watch two instant watch streams on your account." Great... I have since read this help statement from the Netflix website: "Some membership plans allow you to watch simultaneously on more than one personal computer or Netflix ready device at the same time. If you are on the 1 disc out at-a-time plan, you may watch only one device at a time. If you are on the 2 discs out at-a-time plan, you may watch on up to two devices at the same time. Members on the 3 disc plan can watch on up to three devices. The maximum is four devices simultaneously, and that is available for members on the 4 or greater discs out at-a-time plans."

I only really got Netflix for the instant watch feature and I really love it at the $9 a month rate. It seems like a great value to me. Why should I have to pay more to view more? This all just seems arbitrary and a bit greedy...

That being said I love the service and am happy I can at least stream two movies/shows at the same time. Technically I could stream the same movie on two xboxes in two separate rooms using the Netflix party feature in Xbox Live for the fun/novelty of it. And I can watch a movie at home while my gf watches one away on her laptop, which happens quite often...

The Xbox and PS3 are both in one entertainment center right now as it is and I can't use the Netflix feature on them at the same time... And I love the convenience of the Xbox software implemtation - but it is limited in that it never remembers the picture sizing settings - I have to set them for each video!! The PS3 always frames every movie the way I tell it after only setting it once. And it tells me the bitrate info I love. However I must put the disc in every time to use it AND the interface is far clunkier than the Xbox implementation.

All of this leads to the Wii being left out completely. My device limit is already maxed. The Wii is limited to 480p - no dice on my 1080p TV. And theres already two devices in that room for Netflix streaming - PC's/laptops not included...

Pretty much the only place I can see using the Netflix instant watch feature on a Wii is at my Mom's house for a visit.... And thats only if I don't take my PS360 over to begin with as they will be look much better on her HDTV...

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GB330033

I'd like to pose a question: If Netflix offered the capability to connect more devices for a nominal fee, would you pay for it?
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deinfinityx

Or would you give up multiple streaming for one at a time?
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coologuy1957

1) I would pay a small ($1 or less) fee per device or a fee to double it... (the amount of devices you can register)

2) I think streaming two at a time is fair for a couple/family and you can pay more for multiple streams (up to 4 simultaneous) - I have already mentioned that. The wanting more simultaneous streams was really just a pie-in-the-sky thing for me, the greedy icing on the cake... I don't have a major beef with that at all and I understand it...


Its really the pain of registering devices over and over... I would pay a little more to not have that arbitrary limit, though I don't think the limit should be there.... most people would never even think about doing that (sharing it with others outside the house) and I wouldn't share it outside the house (I don't do that even now). I share it INSIDE the house because I reap the benefits too. In fact I wanted to watch a movie on his xbox so why not?? I believe most people are trustworthy in this manor....
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ranhalt

44% of Wii owners don't use it kotaku.com­/5501599­/kotaku­-census­-2010­-the­-results
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coologuy1957

I one of them for the most part... occasionally I'll play New Super Mario or Wii Sports but it just doesn't have the everyday appeal, or the games frankly, of the PS360....
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sinX

What a rip off man!!
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tzarfoss

I have to disagree 100% here

i can't fathom having more than 4 tvs in my house, that's 2 living rooms, a master bedroom, and a kitchen or 2nd bedroom

Then there's 2 enabled pc's for 6


The reason there are limits, are so you don't have your friends and family on their xboxes and roku's using the same account.

I'm surprised we even get 6, I'm sure the content owners would love if netflix allowed less.


It's not like you need your HDTV, your XBOX 360, and your PS3 that are hooked up together to each have instant watch enabled
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coologuy1957

I can't fathom not having a TV in every room.... actually thats not true. I can't fathom not having multiple TV's in each room! I love TV and live through TV.... there's 3 displays (2 TV's, 1 projector) in the living room, a slingbox, locationfree TV, and HDHomerun to stream to the computers, PSP, and more computers so pretty much every PC/laptop can be a TV... I'm a huge sports fan, movie/TV fan, and video gamer, so I like lots of all of them and sometimes all 3 at the same time!!

I don't need netflix on multiple devices in the same entertainment center - you are correct there. But there are 4 people living here and we all have netflix devices. And we like to watch stuff both separately and together.

And the part I really don't understand is why I have to register a computer each time!! Thats the kicker... I thought a PC could just stream netflix without activation - that is once you logged in to your account you could stream. But not so!! If I go from one laptop to the next to the PC, I have to register each time because its at the limit! And registration is not as easy as it sounds....

You have to click on your devices list, drop one, and generate a new code for the new device.... yaaayyyyyy....

Honestly, even without the Xbox/PS3/Wii/Roku arguments, people have a lot of computers nowadays in a household... I still say Netflix should trust their customers and raise the limit.... for convenience sake...
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michael72

"But there are 4 people living here and we all have netflix devices. And we like to watch stuff both separately and together."

You know the answer. Each of those people (roomates as per your original post) should have their own netflix account. There's a limit on this for exactly the reason you're trying to get around it. So that one account is for one person, not your entire social circle.
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coologuy1957

thanks for implying I have 2 friends outside of my girlfriend!! lol

theres 4 of us and 2 netflix accounts... I only put it on my roommates xbox in the second living room so he could have some HD material on his new HDTV.... I think I can safely share netflix with my girlfriend without getting the Feds involved... so ya, I'm not exactly "supplying" a football team worth of people with netflix.... my other roomie and his girlfriend share his netflix in different cities and on his xbox...

but thanks for caring!!!
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Hitch

I'm really surprised they allow one account to stream two movies at once. Mainly for the reason you point out of letting your friends and family use your account. I do have it on 4 devices around my house so I'll probably think twice about actually activating it on the Wii, since my Xbox is on the same TV. But I do understand how you could want it on more than 6 devices, but I see them even allowing that many as a perk.
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coologuy1957

I'm kind of surprised I can stream 2 at once also, seeing as how it says I shouldn't be able to... I want it on every Netflix-enabled device that I pay for... If they limit the amount of places someone can use their service, doesn't that hurt them?

It reminds me of Hulu disabling the PS3 from accessing it. Did that help anyone? Really, think about it. The people that used that method weren't watching broadcast TV anyway... It just drove them back to the PC/laptop - it didn't get anyone to start watching TV or buy cable/satellite.. And, ultimately it sours people to Hulu...

everytime a new device launches and has Hulu on it, Hulu disables it and everyone goes "you greedy bastards..."
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kris

You don't want to pay more than $9 for unlimited streaming and you're calling Netflix greedy? Bandwidth still isn't free, you know...


This post reminded me to try out the Netflix streaming on the Wii, but even I probably won't use it that much (even though I'm on the 3 disc plan), will probably just hook up my laptop to our TV for Watch Instantly.
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coologuy1957

I thought I made it perfectly clear I'm the greediest one of all.... you're not uncovering some revelation here...

If I'm inconvenienced enough, I'll just get rid of the service and they can lose their money... and speaking of greed, did you know Netflix has an 8 DISC OPTION that runs $48 a month?!! that seems a bit crazy to me considering the speed of their dvd delivery as it is... and the ticky tac fees they pile on for blu-ray are pretty crappy too... especially when I get them through Blockbuster Online for free... I really wish those two services would absorb each other already and I could just stick with one service.... told you I was greedy :)

here's how it goes:

Blockbuster Online gives me:

3 DVD's a month

2 free video game/DVD/Blu-ray rentals a month

Free access to Blu-ray and EVEN HD-DVD discs through the mail (for the few movies on one HD Disc and not the other)

Can trade in mail-in DVD/Blu-rays in-store for free DVD/Blu-ray rental for instant access

Netflix gives me:

1 DVD a month

Unlimited streaming to "1000's of movies" - mostly old catalog movies and BBC shows, not much new content...

720p HD movies - not many of them, but look good when you can find them...

480p for most titles

Stereo only for all titles - no surround sound, 5.1, or 7.1.....

As you can see, they both have their pro's and con's... I'm just glad the Netflix cost is so cheap so I can still justify it... I was getting along fine without it, but streaming some shows I couldn't easily find otherwise is pretty cool...

If Blockbuster had a good streaming option (theres is buy-only), I wouldn't need Netflix...

If Netflix rented new and old video games, I wouldn't need Blockbuster...
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coologuy1957

it just depends what is more important to you - the convenience of using a device which is already connected to your TV and what, I would hope, is an easy interface with the wii remote OR a laptop which will be a bit more trouble to maneuver from the couch but will have much better picture quality if hooked up via HDMI or VGA/DVI...
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kris

1 DVD a month? Or 1 DVD at a time? I have the 3-at-a-time plan, which worked out pretty well *when* I lived alone and watched movies on a regular basis. Turn around time is two days (mail it Monday, new disc by Wednesday).

Of course, now I have to put up with, "Don't return that, I want to watch it too!"

"Do you want to watch it now."

"No."

"Dammit."
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coologuy1957

I meant at a time - my mistake.... :)

I know exactly what you mean... I used to share the discs a lot but now all our schedules are so off we hardly watch anything together anymore... I just ship them once I watch them...
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fourblades

I fear having you as a roommate as I can see the electric bill sky rocketing!

Of course we want as much free stuff as we can get but I highly doubt they will allow to have unlimited connection as they'd think you'd most likely be sharing some of those boxes/units with family members, of possibly different houses, and they'd loose revenue for that, it's almost pseudo piracy.

I understand why you'd want it in all devices but until that company can go above and beyond a rental service of movies/dvd's, they're not really cable network that can easily do on-demand request. Those guys I'm sure can afford it since they can advertise a lot in whatever medium you're using: commercials in TV or ad banners in PC.

P.S. I do have a question though to Netflix users, being that I don't have one and share my sister's account in my xbox 360. If I decided to get a netflix, would using the same device but different account have issues with netflix? (does netflix tie a unit to one account or can it have multiple accounts on a unit) And with PS3, if I decided to get a PS3 netflix disc, can I just use her disc or do I have to use my own disc with my own account to watch? (are the discs tied to your netflix account)
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coologuy1957

LOL - I love that you are engaging in "pseudo piracy" also!!

I think to do what you are talking about, your sister would have to unregister your xbox and then you could register it to your account. I can't find any evidence that one device can accept multiple Netflix accounts. All these devices are "set once, use forever" setups.... Like if I wanted to add a new netflix account to my xbox or roku, I would have to replace the account. I believe the PS3 disc should work for any PS3.... thats my speculation as I don't believe they would be that paranoid about disc sharing and have like DRM and tie a disc to an account. That would be about the lamest thing ever........
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coologuy1957

for those that think 6 devices would be hard to get to, consider that netflix is on all these devices RIGHT NOW:

Xbox 360

PS3

Wii

PC

Laptop

Blu-ray players (from Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, Philips, Vizio, and Insignia)

Internet-enabled HDTV's (from Sony, LG, Vizio, and soon Samsung)

Roku (original, HD, SD, HD-XR, and extra crispy)

Tivo's (HD, HD XL, and Series3)

Home Theater in a Box (HTIB) systems (from Samsung, LG, Panasonic, and Insignia)


Also coming soon to Windows Phone 7 series smartphones as you may have heard... hopefully iphone, Android, BB, Samsung and every other phone maker follows suit...

Also coming very, very soon: Boxee Box and Popbox...

Assuming you have a video game system, a blu-ray player, and a computer, you are already at half the limit... throw in those other multitude of devices and you'll be in the same predicament as I am in...
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davidcmal

I wouldn't say its hard to get to. What I would say is you don't need it on all of the listed devices. I don't need my livingroom wii/blu ray player to have nexflix since my xbox already does.

It seems like this post was about useless. Try to come up with a good complaint and get back to me.
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coologuy1957

LOL - the point was the wii for netflix is useless for anyone with any of those devices listed above... and the low res video support makes it doubly so....

I forgot most people only have one room.. sorry...
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davidcmal

Why is it useless for people with those devices? I have a blu ray player in my bedroom for netflix streaming and an xbox in my living room. I also have a wii in my living room, but there is no reason to get netflix for it.

Again to make my point as clear as day. You only need as many devices enrolled with netflix as you have screens to watch on. Unless you are trying to do a PIP and watch 2 shows on the same screen.
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fourblades

lol, my parents still won't let go of their old projection TV and it doesn't do HD, heck it still 4:3! It'd be perfect for that one since it's not HD and my Wii is hooked up in there.

For me, yes I too would like the option but honestly, I prefer it with my 360 (though the netflix isn't really my account.)
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coologuy1957

the number of screens you have is growing is the point... you didn't used to be able to have game consoles and Tivo's... now you have those and soon you'll have cellphones and ipads... and god forbid you get a netbook... you'll be device unregistering and re-registering in no time!!
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tzarfoss

i can guarantee you you are in the .01% of people who need 6 connectible devices

and i can almost surely say you're don't even "need" 4, you just "want"


Most people will never have their accounts linked with 2 computers, and 4 tv's (through blu-ray, game console, etc..) or even 3 tv's and a mobile when that goes live.
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coologuy1957

ya, theres no way a person could have a laptop, pc, game console, smartphone, and a girlfriend/wife and/or kids with 2 of those things.... I'm sorry for being crazy...

please don't argue semantics... I need/want netflix on whatever device I choose to buy... anything less is just bad business... not to mention arbitrary..
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tzarfoss

".. anything less is just bad business... not to mention arbitrary.. "

again, you're 100% wrong

It's good business when you're trying to convince major content owners that they need to look to the future instead of the antiquated business model they currently cling to. Saying....."oh yea, we let our customers watch it on any screen they want, no limits, no questions asked, their friends and family can join in, they can give their account codes to anyone on their facebook profile so everyone can enjoy your movies without paying a dime for it"

That's bad business.

It cuts into Netflix subscriptions, and it scares content owners.
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coologuy1957

netflix is really the only name in the game at this point... others stream to computers... still others stream to Tivo... Netflix is the only one-stop-shop for both and at a low monthly subscription rate... people love it for that... and since we already have it, don't penalize us by making us swap around our devices... it doesn't actually change anything... it just makes it less convenient... you could put it on your mom's tv, and your brother's xbox, and your friends PS3, and your grandma's boxee if you want now!!! so stop with the "its not arbitrary" BS... you're getting it all wrong...
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frankspin

Regardless of being able to use Netflix on 6 devices, why do you need to do that? It's just incredible overkill for no reason. Just because you can run it on 3 gaming consoles doesn't mean you have to. Right now I'm using Netflix on Xbox but as soon as they release a real PS3 shortcut I'll switch to that, in the meantime though there is no reason set it up on both.
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coologuy1957

I already explained that... they both have their pro's and con's... and I wanted to see what the PS3 version was like just like I want to see what the Wii one is like... for now the PS3 one is way less convenient and elegant to use... the wii one should be a different interface but not as good of graphics...

It's not crazy to want Netflix on every TV once you've used the service. Its fast and looks good. I would think 4 TV's in an average family household and two computers is not such a crazy scenario. Both my girlfriend and I have that in our families houses. But 6 leaves no room for your smartphone or anything else. Besides some people use Netflix to replace cable/satellite so having it in every room is even more reasonable. I don't use it to replace cable as I love live HD sports, especially basketball, which can't be streamed anywhere else yet (not all the games at least).
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coologuy1957

Also, I said why Netflix will go unused on MY wii... not yours..

I'm glad for anyone who gets to use Netflix as it only goes towards making the service better and more ubiquitous...

Netflix (and Pandora?) on the wii could easily replace a roku with its built-in wireless and small size...

Roku SD is $79 for comparable experience on the Wii ($199)....

HD Netflix streaming is $100 to $129 compared to $199 xbox 360 or $299 PS3, not to mention many cheaper blu-ray alternatives...
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Ryudo

I use only 3 devices. DVD player desktop and wii and loving it.
Blockbuster is going out of business.
the DVD quality is good enough for me and 6 devices...that is excessive anyway.
That is like people these days with more cars in the driveway than people living in the home.
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coologuy1957

I would think a better analogy would be people with more TV's than people, but that is totally me!! And depending on the number of rooms you have its pretty easy to do nowadays - especially with all of these LCD manufacturers making sub-20" HDTVs dirt cheap or under-the-shelf TV+DVD units... If I counted all the TV's in my home it would come out to roughly 9 TV's for 4 people... they are not all mine, though we all have two save for one roommate who is super old school. the other three have one upstairs and one downstairs, though my gf would probably trash hers if I didn't use it for a secondary sports/wii TV in the living room...

there are 2 netflix subscriptions and my other roomie may get it as well (don't really see why he doesn't have it now - he used to and wants to return)... and I am NOT even talking about registering their stuff... just my stuff would cause problems...
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coologuy1957

now that I got a distribution amplifier (had it laying around from previous installation) to have the wii up on my main TV as well as the secondary TV, I can now see having the wii in limited use for netflix... the only case I could see is if I/my gf wanted to put something on while I/she watched/played a sports/video game I/she didn't care to watch... it does happen...


After putting the wii back on the secondary TV again, I played the crap out of Billiards on Wii Play and Tennis, Bowling, Golf on Wii Sports last night during some basketball games and had a blast! man, it had been a while...

feeling a touch of the wii shoulder today!!!
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coologuy1957

theres one down much faster than anyone thought..... Netflix for iPad is already live and ready to stream movies as soon as you get one...

that makes x# of netflix devices on your TVs, x# of netflix devices on your computers, and now add the ipad to that list...

its a good thing nobody as lots of gadgets on this site.....
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coologuy1957

also, thanks to Liz for the link:

www.engadget.com­/2010­/04­/01­/netflix­-ipad­-app­-now­-a...
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