If I compare all three press events, Microsoft had the best things to reveal. It's sad that WP7 and 7.5 users will get left in the dust but going forward Microsoft has put themselves in a great position. I will still buy the next iPhone from Apple because of developer support but that gap might close by this time next year.
Microsoft have a very good thing coming to the smartphone world...and its a high time other companies realized the impact it world bring when Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 arrive in the market. Microsoft has their own niche, and for now its market has moved to Android and iOS. But trust me on this one, when the Windows products arrive in the market, be sure its going to be a big move, literally!
I think wp8 is going to be where microsoft make up huge ground. The big thing is going to be the fact it will be easier for developers to port from windows 8 to wp8. Windows is still by far the number one os on any platform. So there will be a huge amount of apps for windows 8. If it is simple enough for the developer to then port it to wp8, why wouldnt they? I predict a massive rise in wp8 apps after the release of win8.
I think overall Apple should be worried of M$ and G... their biggest sales offer on the iPhone has always been "Look what our phone can do, that your phone cannot" now all Smartphones can technically use the same apps and do the same thing.
I'm not sure that they should be worried but they should definitely see it as a chance to push harder when innovating instead of stagnating. They also need to take a page from Microsoft and Apple's playbook by gaining more control over the update process.
While a ton of iPhone/Android users will not switch, I think that there will be a few who do switch. Windows phone 8 is going to be extremely easy to use. The average consumer may, if the wireless store salesmen get behind selling the product, actually consider buying Windows Phone. Especially those who are frustrated with the android operating system. Apple users will be harder to sell considering that most Apple users are extremely anti-Microsoft.
I agree with the ease of use factor. I know that many iPhone users like the iPhone because of it's simplicity. While some may be devoted to Apple, or think the iPhone is "cooler" than other devices, I think you are correct that those who appreciate it's simplicity will switch. Android users, on the other hand, like their devices because of their extreme customizability, which is why people jailbreak iPhones. I do not know if Windows Phones are open source, but I don't think the app store is even close to the size of Apple's App Store or the Play Store (Android Market).
With no support for WP8 apps on WP7, they effectively end-of-life'd the currently still on sale line of WP7 phones. Including the entire Lumia line that is only a couple months old.
Imagine if iPhone 5 came out in September, then in December they said iOS 7 apps won't run on iPhone 5 or lower. Heads would explode. But Microsoft gets a free pass because they're underdogs? Expect the Osborne Effect on the entire line of WP7 phones.
I had a WP7 phone near the beginning for development purposes, the only reason I didn't swap from my iPhone was because of the lack of Apps. Porting apps from Android/iOS was time consuming and MS didn't help with an initially unfriendly App program. All of these problems have now been resolved. Being able to program in C#/C++ or JS/HTML means porting the apps got a lot easier, the dev program is much more streamlined and the annual cost is more in line with Apple now (still doesn't beat the £20 one off fee for Android though). The fact that it's a snap to port onwards to Windows 8 is just icing on the cake.
I've still got the original WP7 phone, obviously it doesn't really bother me that it won't be update (although the buzz in the dev camps is that there will also be a 7.9 in the future which ports a few more nice things across) but you've got to feel for the recent buyers, especially those sold on the Lumias
But it had to happen, the original hardware spec for WP7 is now barely better than high-end dumbphone spec, there was no way the WP8 core was ever going to run on anything less than dual core.
WE bought the Lumina 900 based on the info out in the market place - since Windows and
offfice is very important to our business - I will put them in a draw and re-activate my
Iphones.....as far as Nokia (leave town) and ATT - shame on you....a real shame,
the Nokia seemed to be a great phone - unless we can trade it in on a real "8" phone-
I will never buy another Nokia product!!!
Having recently received a Windows Phone, to hear that my device will not receive an update has killed Windows Phone for me. The platform has so many irritating aspects (cannot charge whilst switched off, no silent mode, no VPN options, cannot add a manual POI in Nokia maps [but that could be me!] etc.) that needed to be fixed, and quickly just to keep up with their competitors, that I will be abandoning this platform altogether.
I don't care about screen resolutions, Windows 8 integration, and all the other headline features they announced, what I wanted was for things that I can currently do on Android and iOS to be released for Windows Phone - for example VPN support. Whilst I maybe talking about a niche item it's a multitude of these smaller non-headline features which means my Windows Phone cannot compete with a current Android or IOS device. I'm not even a gamer which would open up another whole avenue of criticism.
It's no good to keep promising that the "next" version is going to solve all the problems - they needed small incremental updates every 6 months that built on the current functionality. When you take into account the lack of quality apps and changing the goalposts for developers (yet again) who is honestly going to be buying one of these devices!? The market share is already low and is effectively being reset to 0.
On a different note, I'd hate to be a Nokia shareholder as I'm sure most customers will leave the lack of an upgrade "blame" at their door, not at Microsoft's which will result in many people never choosing a Nokia device again.
I think this is one of the freshest and most exciting OS ideas ("metro") in a long time. The rest (iOS, ANdroid, webOS, etc) are all relatively "palm" derived (app startup, etc) of course. I really hope MS gets it rignt to keep things advancing. And (lastly) I also think that MS has understood what being cool is all about. Just my 2c
So Is 7.8 coming to 7.5 phones? Or is it simply a precursor to 8 which 7.5's wont be able to upgrade to?
I really is bull that 7.5 phones can't upgrade to 8. iOS devices have had full upgrade paths to allow them to enjoy the latest and greatest software. Why should we not be allowed this simply because MS don't think our phones hardware will run it silky smooth? Not all of us are worried about having blazing fast phones...we use them to make phone calls!!
No current devices will be getting Windows Phone 8
I think this is a huge problem. Windows phones are less than two years old, the iPhone 4 is older, will get iOS 6 this year and, probably, iOS 7 in a year. Windows Phone and Android may catch Apple in features, but they are still too far in service and customer allegiance. They´ll remain far if customers like me find that their phones are outdated while they still work. Most people will either not update (Android) , or not buy (Windows Phone).
There's a reason behind this: the switch from Windows CE to the actual Windows Core. Also the older h/w in use by current gen and last gen Windows Phones will not be powerful enough for Windows Phone 8. Though I understand the reasoning, there are several people like you who think this is a bad idea. Understand though, Microsoft is only trying to do things that people asked for. By doing that, though, Microsoft has alienated WP7/7.5 users. There is an understandable upside to this point, with the exception of Lumia buyers a lot of Windows Phone users are coming up on their contract upgrade dates. For example, I bought my HTC Trophy(US version) about a year ago and my upgrade date is in December, this is in perfect synchrony with When most Windows Phone 8 devices will be available from carriers.
FYI: not all iOS 6 features will will come to iPhone4. Hardware will not support it. Iphone 4s maybe but not 100% either. i have an iPhone 4 & yeah, I may have to upgrade to use all the new features. I also have a WP7 phone & no way I am switching back to iOS.
Oh it's still fair: iPhone 4 supports the full iOS 6 API a full 2 years after it was introduced and hasn't been the flagship iOS device for a year now. WP7 phones, including the VERY BEST flagship phones on sale now will not get any of the WP8 API.
Considering that windows phone 7.5 doesn't need extraordinary hardware to run, no, but they have SINGLE CORE processors, 512MB of RAM, and 16GB of storage. Considering the move to the windows core, I think that Microsoft made the right decision to not allow this update on single core devices. Have you ever used windows 7 on a single core atom processor? Horrid experience. I think that Microsoft would rather piss off a few that don't like being left behind rather than pissing off everyone with a poor running update that practically bricks phones. Microsoft Windows Phone 8 is made for MULTICORE PROCESSOR enabled phones. That is my point.
but this only works because apple uses outdated lame hardware. so sure when you keep your hardware basically the same sucky hardware its easy to keep adding new OS's to it.
Seriously its a big reason I chose android (S2) over Apple. Horrible hardware from apple. tiny low res screen boring lame GUI etc.. and the "lock in" is a 100% deal breaker to me (ie you don't OWN your iphone apple retains partial ownership by refusing to allow you to install software from "ANYWHERE" but their store short of "hacking" your own device.
I'm one of the few current Windows Phone (Nokia Lumia 900) users, but I have to say that the zero upgrade to WP8 and, more importantly, no backwards compatibility of WP8 apps to WP7.x is very disappointing. I had considered the lack of guaranteed upgrade path to WP8 when getting my Lumia 900 (though I honestly didn't believe they'd be willing to throw so many new Lumia 900 users under the bus), but hadn't considered that I might have to go 18 months of a two year contract without the ability to add new applications to my phone. They better come up with some incentives for current WP users, or they will be losing whatever few customers they already have (maybe we are so few in number that they don't care?).
Getting back to the question at hand, I think that the tighter integration between Windows 8 and WP8 could allow it to surpass Android and iOS in terms of the utility of the OS, but the question still remains as to whether or not people will develop useful apps for it. (I love that they announced tight Audible integration into the OS, and there is no audible.com (unrelated) app for WP).
There isn't audible integration, it is an app, which is now available on the windows phone marketplace. Windows phone 7.8 will at least give the look and feel of the new OS Without having issues running on the older h/w. Honestly think about it like this: Microsoft thought seriously about this decision and decided that While pissing off current gen owners with an update is bad, pissing them off with an update that the h/w couldn't handle would be even worse. here is the audible app(www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/bdc813dd-c20b-41f8...)
I'll admit that I may be a bit of an apple fan boy, but I think Microsoft may still be a little late to the game. I don think that anyone is going to rush out and wait in line for a Windows Phone. I didn't see anything that would make me want to give up my iPhone.
That's probably true today -- Windows Phone 8 will get nowhere near the attention of an iPhone 5 announcement. But keep in mind, starting later this year anyone who buys a new Windows computer is going to get Windows 8 with it, so the Metro interface will gradually become something the public is accustomed to using. Once there's that familiarity there, it may be only natural to get a phone that works the same way as your computer, and shares info seamlessly with it.
Or to your point, by then it may be too late for Microsoft, because everyone's buying iPads instead of Windows computers!
I do like the simplicity of iOS; even my small kids can use it. But on the other hand, it looks nearly identical to PalmOS, circa 2001. A co-worker of mine gave me a quick demo of his Windows Phone, and I was impressed by how modern it felt in comparison. Oh well; either way, I'm grateful that competition is producing more compelling products for us consumers!
Seems like Windows Phone 8 will actually be pushing the envelope a bit instead of catch-up to last year's devices.
But I guess we still need to see what happens with the following:
New Windows Phone 8 hardware - needs to be exciting, attractive, and priced right, and still competitive against whatever new devices Google & Apple announce.
New Apple iPhone - Nothing really mind-blowing announced yet with iOS 6, but that might change when the iPhone 5 is announced. I would be surprised if the next iPhone doesn't have some new features that were not anticipated by anyone yet.
New Android OS & new Nexus device - Google has done nothing to indicate it is slowing down on the rate of updating Android; we're on track to see something about Jelly Bean next week. Not a lot of leaks surrounding that yet, perhaps Google has some surprises. Correspondingly, we're also due for a new Nexus device (maybe several if Google-rola participates)...so that + the iPhone 5 + the new crop of Win Phone 8 devices will be hitting the market at the same time.
Arguably, MS may be in the lead position for Smartphone platforms this week, but we'll have to see how it compares after the competition shows their latest and greatest.
It should also be noted that Microsoft doesn't appear to have shown off EVERYTHING yet; they were focusing today's presentation on the main 8 features of the phone. It's possible that MS might still have a few tricks up their sleeve too.
At this point, system-wise, all 3 of the big smartphone platforms seem pretty competitive. Though the existing marketbase of Android & iOS cannot be ignored, the latest MS offering should give MS a chance to claw back some marketshare.
I agree. All of this stuff is great but if the hardware is still stale it like it was with previous phones it will be a lost cause. I'm hoping with the new photo enhancements and HTC being on board we can see something comparable to what HTC did with the One series.
Of course the one big concern is by opening up hardware options will it cause the market to become over saturated like Android.
Some great changes have been made. I for one have been dying for microSD support. IE10 sounds great too, hopefully the platform gets more big name games and apps in the process. Also, I don't like how they've changed the Start Screen, not that it's not useful but I'll be keeping my phone (if I get one) with the same layout as a WP7 device.
I remember when we said that about Apple. iOS 2: 3rd party Applications, iOS3: copy&paste, MMS, iOS4: "multitasking" support, iOS5: Twitter integration, notification center, iOS6: Facebook integration, turn-by-turn directions. Most operating systems today have features that are ahead of others because they want to be able to say I'm first.
Definitely not catch-up, they're updating WP to the natural course and flow from which it was destined to run since they released Windows Phone. They've been laying the base-work and are now expanding and some of the expansions will surpass what Google/Apple have done/are now implementing for ex. Mobile Wallet hub.