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Windows Phone 8 + microSD card: is it so hard?!

For those who have waited for the next generation of Windows Phones, i'm pretty sure most have been impressed by what various OEMs have had to offer.

Samsung was the first to spring into the Windows Phone 8 foray with the ATIV S. While it looks like a derivative of the Galaxy SIII, it does use brushed aluminium for its chassis. That seemed promising until someone posted the flexible plastic lid.

With the Samsung merely a curiosity in my mind, I turn my attention to Nokia who impressed (and simultaneously disappointed) me with the PureView camera, and exclusive software line-up. Yea...and then they messed it all up with the "simulation" debacle.

As Nokia looked for the culprit, and Elop clearly red-faced, we get HTC doing what Nokia couldn't: show off a pair of Windows Phones AND announce details of price+availability!

Now, aside from the ATIV S, what is it with Nokia and HTC being unable to put a damn microSD slot there? The only answer I seem to find is the "didn't want to defile" the chassis.

What is everyone's thoughts on this? Is the lack of a microSD card slot a dealbreaker? Or do you know the answer about WHY there is no microSD slot of 2 of the sexiest Windows Phones around?

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TgD

I do know the answer

"Kevin Shields, executive vice president at Nokia, was kind enough to shed some light on the matter. While speaking with PC Pro, he stated that to out a microSD card slot on the Nokia Lumia 920 would have ruined its design. "We started with the premise that we wanted an uncompromised physical form," he said, and a microSD card slot "would have defiled it." Besides, Shields added that not too many owners use that much storage anyway."

Now I would like to see microSD as well, but I have never used more than 32 GB of space on a phone. Hell I currently have 24 GB of space (8GB internal, 16GB microSD) and don't even fill it. So I fall within Kevin Shields' assertion that not too many owners use more than 32GB

Thus it isn't a dealbreaker for me

(http://www.phonearena.com/news/Here-is-why-the-Nokia-Lumia-920-has-no-microSD-card-slot_id34178)
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groovechicken

I'm not generally one to defend anything in the Windows Phone ecosystem, but I have to say that my Motorola Photon Android phone has 8GB internal and a microSD slot... which I have never bothered to put a card in. I have had it for over a year and am only just now starting to get low on storage... but only because of all the videos I have shot since we have a new baby in the house. Once I remember to archive these to my home server, I will be right back to not caring that I have an SD slot. I used to think this was a big deal until this, my first phone with 8GB storage. Now, I realize it's less important than I thought it would be.
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voleheart

the HTC 8X has a micro sd slot
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TgD

unfortunately you are incorrect. the 8S does, the 8X does not
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voleheart

ooo not good. why do the 820 and 8S (lower end) get those???
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hammburger

I would suspect it's to lower the manufacturing costs of including more memory, thereby shifting the cost of acquiring memory to the consumer.
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fourblades

Probably to control over all cost to manufacture the phones and allow to sell them as lower retail price. Also this allow users to pay minimal on the memory until they decide to increase it and find deals on their own.
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libbyubert

Want MicroSD, get a Ativ S. What's the problem? With Windows and Android, you actually have options..... crazy..... so get the phone that has what you like.
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hammburger

i think that's the problem... the ATIV S has something I like but so does the Lumia 920 and 8X! Weighing up what I want most is fairly excruciating... =.="
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Pictor

I've been wondering that.

32GB with no micro SD may be acceptable, 16GB without one...just...isn't. I am not getting a phone that handcuffs me to only 16GB (even 32 would be a trial, my 64GB iPhone is running at about 55GB full...but I recognize I can do some cleanup here)
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Agrippa

I stopped caring. I had a Samsung Focus with 8GB. I bought a MicroSD but never installed it. I used it for 2 years and never filled it up. The apps took up the most space, obviously, but with cloud storage and online services, I just never needed it. I streamed music from the cloud through various apps. I watched videos online. My pictures automatically saved to Skydrive My podcasts automatically deleted once listened to (if I even downloaded them rather than streamed them). My videos automatically synced to my computer over wifi once plugged in. It was pointless.

Now I have the Lumia 900 with 166GB. It feels like an embarrassment of riches. I actually use more than 9GB of it. But the only reason is that I felt like I needed to use it. In other words, I have had to use cloud services less just so that I can justify that much space.

In this day and age. If you have ubiquitous internet connection (via either cellular or wifi) and you have a desktop/laptop. 32GB is honestly overkill. It's enough space that you can afford to waste space. Now, if you have a Tablet, especially if it's the iPad with the HD apps, that's a different story. But even then, it's because each app takes up more space. Not because you somehow need to save more. I have so many lockers online, so many services for accessing them, and all of them have apps (either first or third party) on Windows Phone, that I don't even look at the memory anymore. When the HTC 8S was unveiled, I didn't even notice it only had 8GB until someone noted it in conversation. That's how little I care now.

In the coming years, this could change. Apps could get MUCH bigger. Data stored could be larger (e.g. long 1080p video or whatever future thing). When that happens, we adapt. Afterall, I remember when an 8GB computer hard drive was overkill. But it's not going to be in the next 2 or 3 years.
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Pictor

A significant portion of my 55GB used so far is my camera roll, and I agree, just shoving it all into Skydrive would be more efficient, that's why I feel I can survive on 32GB, but not on 16. I want a minimum size of music collection that I don't have to stream (for long car rides in areas of sketchy connection for example), I will inevitably have some video content synced over...

I just wouldn't be comfortable being limited to 16
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Agrippa

I agree with you and I should have prefaced that with "your mileage may vary". You're right. There is that subset who creates more media than the average person. A lot of people also prefer to save it on their phone (despite the risk of losing or damaging the phone). You also have people who spend a lot of time in areas with dodgy connections. It's easy for me to forget that. I'm in Houston. I'm always in some densely populated city, I have actually never lived anywhere that AT&T doesn't offer LTE now. If that makes any sense. My environments have always been the ones where the big companies address early and often. So I'm in the sweet spot that hopefully the entire country will be in someday. Where there are no dead drops. However, whenever I make the 3 hour drive to Austin or San Antonio, or the 4 hour drive to Dallas, there are these random stretches on each, for about 30 minutes where my connection becomes extremely sketchy or slow (though I never lose service). And of course where I completely lose LTE.

So let's assume we get data connection sorted and everywhere in at least the 48 contiguous states, we have full and proper access to at least 3G but maybe also 4G. Let's assume it's reliable. Let's also assume Apple, Google, and Microsoft loosen their sometimes Draconian rules on their cloud services. (We've made a lot of assumptions, I know, but we're picturing best case scenario). Let's also assume the size of everything stays the same, and quality of things like pictures and video go up just a bit. Given where we currently stand in technology and services, I would freely admit that 32GB is an excellent sweet spot for the average and even the above average user. Many would use far less. And of course there will be the relatively few who will use far more.
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Carlos2

Its wonderful to read about all those fellows who tell others how it is not a dealbreaker to not have a microsd on the htc. Gee! I remember all those yokels who told me that my insistence on having more bandwith for my phone was unnecessary because never ever...in a million years I would need it at all BECAUSE they did not USE IT THEMSELVES!.
Wow...how times change dont they. And now I hear the same prattle about ...."i dont use it ...therefore is not needed". Well boys...myself and many others need it. I have a 64gig microsd on my phone, its one of two. And yes, I am bying more. What do I have on it; none of your business. But, I used it, and needed it, and want more. And guess what...I am not alone. Now HTC did not include one on their new phone. Why not?. Mmm....because it will mar the looks of the phone, yeah, sure. Because it isnt needed, yeah, sure. Would it have to do anything with HTC acquiring MOG music streaming. Does it have anything to do with HTC partnering with Dropbox to offer 5GB of storage. Does it have anything to do with HTC buying 20% of SyncTV a cloud based video service. How about HTC's deal with SyncTV's parent Intertrust, a DRM software company. Lets not also forget HTC's buyout of Saffron Digital which has laid groundwork for itw Watch video streaming service., or its 40 million stake on OnLive, a cloud based gaming company. HTC no longer backs HTCSense.com, which allowed the storage of messages, contacts, location footprints and call history to its cloud "external storage". Nothing like a company begging you to trust them, and then have them throw you overboard when they find you are no longer needed.
Anyway, I want my microsd port, and if HTC does not provided it, I will then have no choice but to give HTC a "one finger salute" and find another phone that has one. Oh well, that's life.
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